blonde poker forum

notts ukipt main
2.5k/5k level
hero has 125k on bb (i.e. 25 bigs) - image is average
one of the chip leaders - pretty loose but not insane - raises to 15k utg
Chance of c-bet is very high.
Hero has T-T...

Trick question ?

No trick, am posting on behalf of someone else (I, obv, donked out pre-buffet). Was just wondering if there's an argument for calling.

Never calling

Stick em in his eye and win

Wouldnt say Im never calling but with villian as described its a shove. Too shallow to play flop OOP

Just a horrible spot because it is so hard to plan your hand around what you want to do post flop as if you call it is too deep to just shove on a safe-ish flop.  Think I 3bet to 45kish and fold if he shoves which is probably way too weak but if he wants to get it in here I can't really put him on worse.  If he calls the 45k then at least I have built the pot to be a reasonable shove on a decent flop but still absolutely hate my life.

Has villain been raising 3x as standard? How mnay chips does villian have?

We are picking up 20% of our stack by shoving due to his raise (im assuming there was a 500 ante too).

I agree in shoving 25bbs its a little more than id like (esp live), but 3 bet folding is never happening, 3 betting allows him to call and there are plenty flops we dont like, and just calling is gonna end up in a tricky spot post flop due to stack sizes.

I aren't 3bet folding 10s 25bb deep. Probably just jam

what is chip leader stack?

In wierd mood today so sorry for sarcasim but i think you got all the answers u need as the guys ddint feel it was a set up ! ::)

Jam>>>Fold>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Call imo

I would personally just call. Your stack is way too big to jam, if you shove, it is unlikely that the villain will be calling with worse (AJs+, 10s+)
If you just flat call and the flop is dry/rags I would check and let him c-bet and then would go over the top...however on a wet board+overcards, I would prob fold and look for a better spot to make accumulate chips.

Whereas I do understand the logic we just cant do this its burning money, loosing 45k 100% of the time or winning ~280k 35-40% off the time....

I had a simlar scenario in a recent live comp at DTD. The stack sizes and raise sizes were somewhat different (effective stacks of 16bb)  but the rest was the same. In my case i shoved with my TT and ran into JJ. I came to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that i had made a mistake. This was mainly due to the fact that the villian was pretty tight and his raise, in hindsight, was probably committing him to the pot.
 In this case, if you re-raise all in, i would say that you are probably only going to be called by JJ+ and AK. In which case you are in deep shit 2/3 of the time and racing for the other 1/3.
  If you re-raise and villian folds your stack has gone up from 25 to just over 30bb, which is nice, but not brilliant considering that you are risking your entire tournament in this spot.
 I really think that, in this particular situation, it would be better to CALL, with the intention of set-mining, and folding if we fail to hit our set.
 I originally felt that folding was the best option, and i still think that this is correct if we aren't gettiong the necessary odds to set-mine. (See questions below)

Serious questions, hoping that someone can offer advice. Are we deep enough to set-mine here, bearing in mind that it is 2bb of our 25bb stack to call ? Also can anyone offer any general advice on implied odds required for set-mining in tournament situations such as this one. (would have posted this seperately, in the beginners section, but felt this hand was a good example of situations where i would be unsure about whether to set-mine or not.)

between 15-20:1

10:1 if you are 100% convinced he is stacking if you hit - but dont use that as an excuse to make a bad call

Shovvvvvvvvveeeeeee

Two things you're missing completely are 1) the times when he folds which negates our EV damage when he has a dominating hands, and 2) the times when we go set-mining, miss and fold a better hand, or when we have to fold on flops to hands we would be in good shape vs pre flop we're loosing EV there

the reason TT is a strong hand is because it has such good equity vs lots of other hands, by set mining off a small stack ur burning so much of that equity, basically turning it into 22/33 which i dont think anyone would argue is a fold in this spot

really excited about putting all my chips in. as clear cut a decision as i have seen in a while.

Thanks for the answers outragous76 and SuuPRlim, and the other replies too. Very informative. Cheers :)up