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Title: PLO Preflop spot. More than meets the eye? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 18, 2011, 09:36:48 PM Chatting about a hand with finney which promted interesting debate....
Full Tilt Poker Game #28315548210: Table Cross (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 15:08:35 ET - 2011/02/18 Seat 1: mring126 ($0), is sitting out Seat 2: ZL5UN ($101.15) Seat 3: JLS123 ($100) Seat 4: HERO ($140.95) Seat 5: chancy72 ($111.70) Seat 6: obabywatsurname ($164.70) ZL5UN posts the small blind of $0.50 JLS123 posts the big blind of $1 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to HERO [Ah 6c Ac 8s] HERO raises to $3.50 chancy72 folds obabywatsurname has 15 seconds left to act obabywatsurname folds ZL5UN raises to $10 JLS123 calls $9 HERO ??? ***RELEVANT INFO*** SB (3better) STATS = 24/16 3% 3bet BB 29/21 9%3bet 14% 4ball (has aggro history with our hero) is a good/decent regular I know it looks dead simple at first. Title: Re: PLO Preflop spot. More than meets the eye? Post by: GreekStein on February 18, 2011, 10:01:54 PM both options valid here imo dave.
Title: Re: PLO Preflop spot. More than meets the eye? Post by: Karabiner on February 18, 2011, 10:11:12 PM I'm shovelling as much as I can here as I'd far rather one oppo than two.
Title: Re: PLO Preflop spot. More than meets the eye? Post by: Ironside on February 19, 2011, 02:29:40 AM 4 betting turns your hand face up and might lose you action but calling leaves you in horrid spot on flop I think I pot and hope
Title: Re: PLO Preflop spot. More than meets the eye? Post by: smashedagain on February 19, 2011, 02:05:44 PM old skool nit. flats. sb obv likes his hand and your intention of potting is to try get h/u or take the pot there and then. past history suggests bb will call the pot bet from you if sb does as well. you have position on these guys see a flop and re assess what is going on. flatting also disguises your hand and allows bb to hang himself. you are never a million miles ahead in this pot 3 way or h/u and you have more fold equity flatting. play post flop as its to you advantage and ability.
Title: Re: PLO Preflop spot. More than meets the eye? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 19, 2011, 03:32:22 PM What do people think are the primary advantages to flatting?
Is it a) we're worried about our equity 3way if were AIPF b) We don't want to basically turn our hand face up and allow the BB to play perfectly c) we feel like SB has AA** here so often that there's more EV to be gained from making him fold, then getting our stack in with 27-32% 3handed. d) we can disguise our hand well, and given the realistic ranges for the other two should be able to take the pot on several board textures, 5h 6c 3s, 7c 7d 5d etc Some Immeadiate cons for flatting IMO a) we have the equity right here and now (well roughly) our hand is likely to loose equity rather than gain it, so we're flatting here to fold often later in the hand b) SPR will be ~3 and I dont think this is an easy hand to play post flop - running it's flop equity vs a few decent combo's for the other two players we rarely flop outstanding - I think we're more likely to make bad calls/folds post flop in this situation then good ones c) When we 4bet preflop, SB still peels all his non AA** hands (which i think is ONLY AKrundowns in this spot - maybe some sick dbl paired hands) these hands play very badly vs our hand and by only flatting we are preventing him from making a -EV play, and allowing HIM to play better post flop |