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Title: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: MC on February 20, 2011, 07:55:09 AM
(http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4306/tournament3663842980933.png)

18-man final table, on the bubble.

SNG Wiz is very clear in this spot that you need 99+ to make the call.

However, if we were to call and win, we would be chip leader on the bubble, which is prime real estate cos we get to bully the table, and apart from the times you run into big-hands, you can often secure yourself a top-2 finish.

Also, we can expect the good reg in orange to abuse the table, so if we don't call we're unlikely to get many stealing opportunities.

On the flip side, we're 2nd in chips here, and looking good for a decent finish anyway.

Is there any argument for calling slightly wider than SNG Wiz recommends (for example with 88 or AKs or whatever), or is our bubble position too delicate to call?


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: Longy on February 20, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
Deffo calling wider than sngwiz and this spot is a great example of taking -ev edge to gain future +ev spots. I would go as far as snapping him off with 77 and aj here at least.



Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: Simon Galloway on February 20, 2011, 01:30:37 PM
I'm on the nitty side, but I still get this in....


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: boldie on February 20, 2011, 02:40:52 PM
Jcar should shove pretty wide here so I'll call this


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: DaveShoelace on February 20, 2011, 03:06:35 PM
Yeah this is my tweener calling hand instinctively, I think I would probably muck 88 & AJ, call 99 & AQ. Jcar looks like one of the better players based on a super quick look at his stats/supernova badge so another reason to call him to try and cripple him


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: MC on February 20, 2011, 05:27:02 PM
Jcar should shove pretty wide here so I'll call this

I expect him to be on literally ATC

Yeah this is my tweener calling hand instinctively, I think I would probably muck 88 & AJ, call 99 & AQ. Jcar looks like one of the better players based on a super quick look at his stats/supernova badge so another reason to call him to try and cripple him

Yeah he's def one of the better regs. Being marked orange by me is pretty much the top accolade a Stars SNG player can receive, beats even Sharkscope leaderboards :)


Deffo calling wider than sngwiz and this spot is a great example of taking -ev edge to gain future +ev spots. I would go as far as snapping him off with 77 and aj here at least.

Yikes, really? Wiz advocates folding AKs yet you want to get it in with AJos?


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: Longy on February 20, 2011, 06:47:17 PM
Well given I have only played a handful of 18's in my life, I am probably wrong. I have just got so used to ignoring wiz in these spots for 45/180's that maybe I am little off.



Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: DMorgan on February 20, 2011, 06:59:14 PM
99 is definitely a call, I'd still be folding AK

Pairs play far better vs any 2 ranges than high cards do


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 20, 2011, 07:13:56 PM
wat the hell suit is that yellow 9?


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: titaniumbean on February 20, 2011, 07:15:17 PM
wat the hell suit is that yellow 9?

spades you numpty


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: DMorgan on February 20, 2011, 09:21:04 PM
Spades sure are yellow in a normal 4 colour deck


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 20, 2011, 09:21:44 PM
Spades sure are yellow in a normal 4 colour deck

norrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

wtf?


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: George2Loose on February 21, 2011, 12:16:48 AM
Spades sure are yellow in a normal 4 colour deck

norrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

wtf?



Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: MC on February 21, 2011, 01:38:15 PM
You can get decks with yellow spades instead of black, simples. Pretty standard for modded decks to have yellow spades.


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: alexicek on February 26, 2011, 10:31:52 PM
Im an advocate for the 77 -aj range against an atc reg. maybe 88-aj
i dont think wiz appriciates just how much equity having the big stack gives or how painful these blinds losses are on our overall cahnces
need to be sure they are on atc though or it gets messy


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: 34sooted5betshove on March 03, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
Hope you don't mind epitomised.

Kinda same spot but we have bigger stack here, same player we have both been very active in shoving whoever is first to act is shoving. I know he's shoving atc here but given are stack we can't call can we?

(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/7963/99spot.jpg) (http://img856.imageshack.us/i/99spot.jpg/)


Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: Longy on March 03, 2011, 05:03:43 PM
^^^^^ This is a fold imo.

A few factors going on here that aren't going on in MC's hand.

Jcar shoving range utg is tighter than on the button even if it is 80% compared to 100%.

You have 3 ppl to act behind you not just one, even though they are calling super tight still greater chance of them waking up with a big pair.

We have a bigger effective stack here and there is one real shortie (the sb). Therefore the ICM factors are about as great as they possibly can be. I think calling with JJ might be a mistake here.



Title: Re: Risk bubbling to be chipleader?
Post by: MC on March 03, 2011, 05:16:33 PM
Yeah that looks like a KK+ spot to me

Another thing is we're unlikely to be able to abuse the bubble cos Mr $900 stack will likely be out soon