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$5/$10 6max on stars

This hand is from a while ago, came across it when reviewing some HH's, so no reads on players, can assume players at this level are aware of stack sizes and are generally not gonna spew their money off too light. I havent played too much at this level online, so can expect they see me as somebody taking a shot, and was probably only 1 (max 2) tabling at the time.

cutoff ($1,530) opens to $30
button ($985) 3bets to $90
Hero in BB ($700) Kh Ks 4bets to $225

both cutoff and btn call (pot $680)

Flop
 Js Qc 3c

We have $485 behind.

After we have done a bit of sick in our mouth, we......

shove

Ship obv

... get our lazy arse out of bed, put on a coat, and head down to DTD. where the flop wouldn't dare come anything other than KJ4 rainbow :p







or shove

also seeing as u havent got sufficient funds to reload to reloaded to a full stack, quite like a shove pre. Anything else looks ridic strong as u can hardly ever be bluffing with 475 behind, and especially if they see you as taking a shot, min 4 betting looks even stronger.

er play a full stack u numpty? u have to shove here, can't c/f, b/f or do anything else really. could check call i guess. I just dont know what hands these guys will be flatting you with pre assuming they're decent. I guess AA?

thinking about it, if the original raiser is any good, the only hand he should have here is aces. and flats the cold four trying to induce a button spaz, and get his aces in 3 ways rather than 2 ways. dont think hes ever really expecting button to just flat

must be hard online not being 500bbs deep all the time so that your mad post flop skills can make up for your massive preflop leaks.



(generally, not here)

FYP

I can only presume i didnt have a full stack because i didnt have auto top up on and did some in the previos hand.

Im not really one to shortstack it up  8)


Should have maybe have added in original post, how you would play this is we covered both villains?

If they're bad enough to be cold-calling four-bets, then they're bad enough to have a wide range here. Q-Q and J-J are obviously a concern, but I'm still shoving.

LOL you ninja removed the last post before i could reply to it...

Like buzz says, if the OR is anywhere capable, hes not gonna call a 4 bet when it represents 30% of my stack with mid pairs or connectors. AA is pretty likely and QQ JJ a high percentage.

The overcaller is more likely to possibly have that kind of hand, trying to play for stacks against both of us in position where it looks like we always both have big hands there (unless im making some kind of hero squeeze)

Suppose with my stack size I prob have to just ship it and close my eyes? but there just doesnt seem to be any situations where either they both fold or i get called and am not crushed. If im up against an AK im expecting a ship pre, especially vs my stack size, and neither can (or should)ever really have AQ here either IMO.

Interested to get views if i was covering...

What were you eating at the time?

Turkish Delight

Meh,,,,anyone in favour of check calling here? Obv our line already screams monster but I just can't see them calling with anything we beat and maybe, just maybe one of them can bet into us with something weaker...if they are completely thick OBV.

AA/JJ and QQ are out here a massive amount of the time I reckon

Need Jak 'NEILGIBLINOFBELPERDERBYSHIRE' Ally to post.

Hes a 6max professor.

Then when hes butcherd it, Keys can come on and tell us the answer to our problem.

Sigh....

The OR is either spewy, or has Aces, or possibly Queens.
Still getting it in, just in case it's the first one, given that you've put in a third of your stack.

The overcaller could be a bit wider, but there's a fair chance he has you crushed as well.

A fold would be pretty awesome, esp. when they turn over AA & JJ, but I doubt I find one IRL.

Don't mind the 4 bet PF, but you don't induce a light 5b, given your stack size / no FE, so you may as well just shove.

I feel like we should jam pre, but its 70 bigggggs

Keys was on SkyPoker TV last night (and was very good obv)...... doubt he will have time to go through all the leaks in your game, now he is a proper celeb.

Will look out for the re-run.

Did he suggest a good tourny player should cash in 70% of their comps? Previous guests have stated this is reasonable, need it confirming.  ;dingdell;

When are they getting you on there anyway? Surely team pro in the making. After Beaneh obv.

I'd definitely shove then. I was in some doubt before, as like you say, the OR should have AA, QQ or JJ, but clearly a shove now. Have also sharkscoped villains mentoned and they are both Turkish, so it's pretty much a cooler.

Call - Lose - Blame low blood/lard ratio - Eat trans fat laden snack - resume God like running.

Everyone saying just shove pre as this 3bet just looks way to strong realises how stupid they look when we got peeled in 2 spots yeah?

didnt know deadman had been on skypokertv.

Not saying shoving is best option.... but don't think it is less profitable than a cold 4b, and may get a better result, as oppo can talk himself into ranging us wider with a shove, than with a 4b.
Given stack sizes, the OR is not calling (or shouldn't be) to hit / get paid, but is calling cos he thinks he's ahead of our range (which looks incredibly narrow in this spot).
Therefore, whatever he calls the 4b with, he calls the shove with.

how long ago was this? is stars 5/10 still this soft?

i'd rather cold call than shove btw, i think shoving is not a good preflop option to choose

Was it Frys? I lurrrve Turkish Delight.

Also Stato pwns this thread haaaaard.

this is a very, very good post

needs more love imo

easy preflop shove. we have more bluffs/spew than a cold4 with this stacksize 3 handed.

OK, well i jammed anyway and was not at all suprised to be shown aces by OR.

Can we just check fold this flop with $1500 behind?

If we check fold with $1500 behind, we should do the same with $500 behind....probably.
The more I think about this hand, the more obvious it is that the OR has Aces  almost all of the time.
You look redic strong, and he has a guy behind who has 3 bet, and could easily jam to his flat.

Still can't find a fold on the flop, in your example, but it is really a fold.

what was the result of this hand? and where was it played?

Original raiser had Aces.


Pokerstars.

completely standard with your stack an shoving is terrible pre flop imo

wp buzz

explain why a shove is terrible pls

i think i like a shove more than a cold 4 in this spot. even if i do have air in my range with a 70bb cold 4 most ppl dont (mtt is different). if villain has TT JJ even ak i think this cold 4 will often look so huge that these hands find a fold, even more so with villain 2 behind left to act. jamming keeps these hands in more often. i like a cold 4 if u have a history of it this deep or ur 100bb deep.

ya agree.

Lol at grilling charra.

He's the worst winning player in the uk.

Love u charra xx