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Title: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: Mitch on February 21, 2011, 07:23:28 AM
£1/£2 Mentally deep cash game at DTD.

Playing 9 Handed, most people sat atleast £2k deep.

Hand straddled to £4

Hero (£2k) opens  Kc 9c  from mid position for £16

Button (pretty weak ABC kind of player, plays draws weak in multiway pots, not gonna be doing anything crazy) (£1.5k) calls.
Straddle calls (tricky player, back to about level after coolering button an hour earlier, has moves, doesnt like to fold if hits any part of the flop. Quite drunk and has been playing very loose and showing lots of bluffs(£2.5k)

Flop  4c  8s  9h (Pot £50)

1check, hero bets £30, button calls, straddler makes it £95

hero calls, button calls.

Turn  9s (Pot £335)

Str bets £225, hero calls, button folds.

River  6s

Str bets £600.

We??


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: cambridgealex on February 21, 2011, 09:12:39 AM
I fold now. Decent chance A9, 89, 44, 88 or T7. Will he fire into 2 players on that turn as a complete airball? Maybe he has TJ but much more likely that he isn't bluffing here as if he knows you, he knows you won't fold on the river once so many of the boys are in.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: StuartHopkin on February 21, 2011, 09:40:12 AM
(pretty weak ABC kind of player, plays draws weak in multiway pots, not gonna be doing anything crazy)

Was it me?


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: Mitch on February 21, 2011, 09:48:36 AM
(pretty weak ABC kind of player, plays draws weak in multiway pots, not gonna be doing anything crazy)

Was it me?

Nah, your just AB, still developing the C part last time we played together if i remember correctly.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: outragous76 on February 21, 2011, 09:51:23 AM
never folding this hand - esp to a tricky player

not sure how you narrow any of his 9's (ie 89 9T and A9 are all the same weight  - infact 89 less so given the turn action)

would he raise any pair from the straddle? - ie can we eliminate a flopped set?

if he back doored a flush then god bless him - but i do a call and to be honest have probably made this decision on the turn



Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: cambridgealex on February 21, 2011, 10:20:07 AM
never folding this hand - esp to a tricky player

not sure how you narrow any of his 9's (ie 89 9T and A9 are all the same weight  - infact 89 less so given the turn action)

would he raise any pair from the straddle? - ie can we eliminate a flopped set?

if he back doored a flush then god bless him - but i do a call and to be honest have probably made this decision on the turn



Mitch opened pre, so 44 and 88 well within range. This also narrows his 9's slightly.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: pleno1 on February 21, 2011, 01:28:30 PM
fold flop.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: MC on February 21, 2011, 01:30:21 PM
fold flop.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: AlexMartin on February 21, 2011, 01:36:06 PM
wp, call river.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: skolsuper on February 21, 2011, 02:04:57 PM
Call. Not read any replies, pretty sure I don't need to

edit: yep, nothing there to change my mind. Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: smashedagain on February 21, 2011, 02:13:33 PM
Call. Not read any replies, pretty sure I don't need to

edit: yep, nothing there to change my mind. Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me
i'm with this guy. sound reasoning...do you play much?


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2011, 02:19:50 PM
Call. Not read any replies, pretty sure I don't need to

edit: yep, nothing there to change my mind. Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me
i'm with this guy. sound reasoning...do you play much?

He's learning, never won anything of note though.

@Mitch, you can't fold here surely against the player you've described and with your image?


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: smashedagain on February 21, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
Call. Not read any replies, pretty sure I don't need to

edit: yep, nothing there to change my mind. Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me
i'm with this guy. sound reasoning...do you play much?

He's learning, never won anything of note though.

@Mitch, you can't fold here surely against the player you've described and with your image?
well i will give him his shot at the big time. next dtd super 50 i will back him 100% cover his travel and treat him to nando's (he probably never ate so good). during dinner he can have a one on one session with me and then we can split anything he wins 50/50.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: skolsuper on February 21, 2011, 02:47:12 PM
Call. Not read any replies, pretty sure I don't need to

edit: yep, nothing there to change my mind. Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me
i'm with this guy. sound reasoning...do you play much?

He's learning, never won anything of note though.

@Mitch, you can't fold here surely against the player you've described and with your image?
well i will give him his shot at the big time. next dtd super 50 i will back him 100% cover his travel and treat him to nando's (he probably never ate so good). during dinner he can have a one on one session with me and then we can split anything he wins 50/50.

Booked.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: smashedagain on February 21, 2011, 03:35:27 PM
Call. Not read any replies, pretty sure I don't need to

edit: yep, nothing there to change my mind. Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me
i'm with this guy. sound reasoning...do you play much?

He's learning, never won anything of note though.

@Mitch, you can't fold here surely against the player you've described and with your image?
well i will give him his shot at the big time. next dtd super 50 i will back him 100% cover his travel and treat him to nando's (he probably never ate so good). during dinner he can have a one on one session with me and then we can split anything he wins 50/50.

Booked.
pmsl


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 21, 2011, 04:54:25 PM
I would bet the flop and call the raise
call the turn
call the river

sigh if you loose


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: skolsuper on February 21, 2011, 06:12:53 PM
I would bet the flop and call the raise
call the turn
call the river

sigh if you loose

Dave, it's 'lose', not 'loose'


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 21, 2011, 06:49:17 PM
I would bet the flop and call the raise
call the turn
call the river

sigh if you loose

Dave, it's 'lose', not 'loose'
(http://www.v7n.com/forums/attachments/forum-lobby/12804d1284005372-do-you-prefer-pepsi-coke-mad-man-pulling-hair-out.jpg)

Tbf though, Im learning here better than at school.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: Mitch on February 22, 2011, 02:31:09 AM
Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me

This guy hasn't got as many glaring tells.

___________________________________________________________________________

Surprised so many people are saying call.

It just seemed so unlikely that he would 3 barrell air when theres such a high chance one of us has got a 9 in this spot, and knowing i don't particularly like folding a nine with another nine with his friend, Mr 3rd nine.

Pretty sure all his 9x hands that haven't turned into houses are check calling for pot controll, also, a couple of straight draws that also turned into FD's on the turn got there. Just thought a bluff made up such a small part of his range here and folded.

He shows 84 for the counterfeited 2 pair which he decided he does not want to let go of.

Sigh.

Cheers for the replies.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 22, 2011, 02:44:09 AM
Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me

This guy hasn't got as many glaring tells.

___________________________________________________________________________

Surprised so many people are saying call.

It just seemed so unlikely that he would 3 barrell air when theres such a high chance one of us has got a 9 in this spot, and knowing i don't particularly like folding a nine with another nine with his friend, Mr 3rd nine.

Pretty sure all his 9x hands that haven't turned into houses are check calling for pot controll, also, a couple of straight draws that also turned into FD's on the turn got there. Just thought a bluff made up such a small part of his range here and folded.

He shows 84 for the counterfeited 2 pair which he decided he does not want to let go of.

Sigh.

Cheers for the replies.

THATS £200 PLEASE


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: skolsuper on February 22, 2011, 10:41:33 PM
Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me

This guy hasn't got as many glaring tells.

___________________________________________________________________________

Surprised so many people are saying call.

It just seemed so unlikely that he would 3 barrell air when theres such a high chance one of us has got a 9 in this spot, and knowing i don't particularly like folding a nine with another nine with his friend, Mr 3rd nine.

Pretty sure all his 9x hands that haven't turned into houses are check calling for pot controll, also, a couple of straight draws that also turned into FD's on the turn got there. Just thought a bluff made up such a small part of his range here and folded.

He shows 84 for the counterfeited 2 pair which he decided he does not want to let go of.

Sigh.

Cheers for the replies.


ALL combinations that beat us: straight flushes (2) full houses (18) flushes (48) straights (30) A9 (4) = 102

Our pot odds: 2.31:1 so we need 102/2.31 = 44 combos we beat EVEN IF villain can have every possible hand that beats you in his range, which he almost certainly doesn't, for instance all 75o are included in that 102.

JT (15) 84 (9) Q9 J9 T9 97 (16) 67 (12) = 52 combos

He would definitely bet all the above hands because you look most like an overpair, this is why he bet with the 84.

It's remotely possible that I made some slight errors with the numbers above, but it's just a long way of saying it's hard to make a hand better than trips with K-kicker so cawl. Thanks for confirming my suspicions that you are just a button clicker and don't have a clue how to think about hands though :P


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: Mitch on February 23, 2011, 12:41:02 AM
Massive WTF @ you thinking of folding here considering some of the calls you make against me

This guy hasn't got as many glaring tells.

___________________________________________________________________________

Surprised so many people are saying call.

It just seemed so unlikely that he would 3 barrell air when theres such a high chance one of us has got a 9 in this spot, and knowing i don't particularly like folding a nine with another nine with his friend, Mr 3rd nine.

Pretty sure all his 9x hands that haven't turned into houses are check calling for pot controll, also, a couple of straight draws that also turned into FD's on the turn got there. Just thought a bluff made up such a small part of his range here and folded.

He shows 84 for the counterfeited 2 pair which he decided he does not want to let go of.

Sigh.

Cheers for the replies.


ALL combinations that beat us: straight flushes (2) full houses (18) flushes (48) straights (30) A9 (4) = 102

Our pot odds: 2.31:1 so we need 102/2.31 = 44 combos we beat EVEN IF villain can have every possible hand that beats you in his range, which he almost certainly doesn't, for instance all 75o are included in that 102.

JT (15) 84 (9) Q9 J9 T9 97 (16) 67 (12) = 52 combos

He would definitely bet all the above hands because you look most like an overpair, this is why he bet with the 84.

It's remotely possible that I made some slight errors with the numbers above, but it's just a long way of saying it's hard to make a hand better than trips with K-kicker so cawl. Thanks for confirming my suspicions that you are just a button clicker and don't have a clue how to think about hands though :P

Yeh, i get what your saying.

Although absolutley all combos of hands that have us beat, including 75off are in his range of calling from a straddle.

Never really thought about the hand from the perspective of him thinking I probably have an overpair, as it certainly allows him to barrel more with the likelyhood the other guy has a draw when overcalling a 3bet in position and us not having a 9.

Probably just got lost in the fact that i had the 9, so wtf has he got scenario. Still think its pretty close between calling/folding.

And dont give me this shit about folding trips, i can remember your beautiful AQ on AA2 board that u layed down to Tom..... who had 99.  ;D


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: skolsuper on February 23, 2011, 12:45:16 AM
And dont give me this shit about folding trips, i can remember your beautiful AQ on AA2 board that u layed down to Tom..... who had 99.  ;D

Whereas you would have called twice more and folded the river :D


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: Mitch on February 23, 2011, 12:56:41 AM
And dont give me this shit about folding trips, i can remember your beautiful AQ on AA2 board that u layed down to Tom..... who had 99.  ;D

Whereas you would have called twice more and folded the river :D

 ;applause;

Don't think in all situations you can just say, right if im calling flop im gonna call every other street when your not the aggressor. Although not in this example, most people arent just gonna fire every street. Sometimes yeh, your getting a decent price, but your just not winning enough of the time to call.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: pleno1 on February 23, 2011, 09:46:40 AM
i think i could do a puke fold here. but id start with folding the flop.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 23, 2011, 11:50:16 AM
i think i could do a puke fold here. but id start with folding the flop.

lol no you wouldnt ;)


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: pleno1 on February 23, 2011, 01:56:23 PM
i think i could do a puke fold here. but id start with folding the flop.

lol no you wouldnt ;)

Woulddddd. I'm v.good you know.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 23, 2011, 04:11:02 PM
i think i could do a puke fold here. but id start with folding the flop.

lol no you wouldnt ;)

Woulddddd. I'm v.good you know.

you would not fold this flop in a live cash game.
you may well think it's the best play but you certainly wouldnt fold - no one would fold lol


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: pleno1 on February 23, 2011, 04:42:27 PM
i think i could do a puke fold here. but id start with folding the flop.

lol no you wouldnt ;)

Woulddddd. I'm v.good you know.

you would not fold this flop in a live cash game.
you may well think it's the best play but you certainly wouldnt fold - no one would fold lol

I've been practicing my folding teckers. They are ridic, folding is now fun.


Title: Re: Tricky spot in deep £1/£2 live game
Post by: JK on February 24, 2011, 08:17:36 AM
i think i could do a puke fold here. but id start with folding the flop.

lol no you wouldnt ;)

Woulddddd. I'm v.good you know.

you would not fold this flop in a live cash game.
you may well think it's the best play but you certainly wouldnt fold - no one would fold lol

I've been practicing my folding teckers. They are ridic, folding is now fun.

Plenos been transformed into one of the boys! Beep beep