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UKIPT satellite.  11 seats 12-15 get £110ish.  We are currently 12/16 and 23044 (seat 2) is smallest stack in comp.

PokerStars Game #58067481822: Tournament #365688148, £40+£4 GBP Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1500/3000) - 2011/02/22 0:05:04 WET [2011/02/21 19:05:04 ET]
Table '365688148 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: rickypapro (28044 in chips)
Seat 2: 123_BGB_456 (23044 in chips)
Seat 3: roscopiko (36923 in chips)
Seat 4: SUPERCHIP1 (61344 in chips)
Seat 6: SlowDoke (79674 in chips)
Seat 7: Pootiki (59260 in chips)
Seat 8: clunged (84782 in chips)
Seat 9: munchs (29280 in chips)
rickypapro: posts the ante 300
123_BGB_456: posts the ante 300
roscopiko: posts the ante 300
SUPERCHIP1: posts the ante 300
SlowDoke: posts the ante 300
Pootiki: posts the ante 300
clunged: posts the ante 300
munchs: posts the ante 300
roscopiko: posts small blind 1500
SUPERCHIP1: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to roscopiko [Jd Jh]
SlowDoke: folds
Pootiki: folds
clunged: raises 3000 to 6000
munchs: folds
rickypapro: folds
123_BGB_456: folds
roscopiko:??

Always shipping it

Personally I fold here but im not sure its correct, would prefer to open shove than shove over a min raise.

Probably clean the little bit of sick up of my keyboard would be my first move though.

Always shoving here when the chip leader min raises.  His range is so wide.

if we're 9/12 are you folding?

Normal tourney i defo shove
Chip leader has a seat pretty much locked this narrows his opening range no?

Definitely more of a decision then

Flat hit quad then ship, oops I mean just shove

It would help knowing the chip-leader's recent play.  Has he been min-raising every unopened pot, or has he locked up somewhat?  That makes the decision easier, but if clunged has been active at all then I'm unlikely to be folding when I need an opportunity to grow my stack.  Don't hate the fold though.

I quite happily ship here, if we are 9/12 I may not, but you need to find a way of getting in the top 11 and this seems like the ideal spot. I dont think you can hope to fold your way to a seat when you are 12th because a lots is going to happen between bustouts 16-12.  Really the £110 payout shouldnt influence you to slow down on this bubble because the top 11 prize is what we are after (do you get a seat or a package btw).

I dont think clungeds range has narrowed given he has a seat locked up, most players have no clue how to play in satellites and still try and abuse a chip lead when the most ev thing they could do is sit out.

Only think that may stop me is I like Clunged's screen name.

clunged is super guy n player....type in the chat box "andy its me stop fucking about and fold you twat i've got aces here"

Clunged is a 2p2er and mtt reg. Not sure about his game having said that.

I reckon I ship but this is the bottom of my range.

I was thinking what I'd do with QQ here and also with TT.  With TT in this situation I might be leaning towards folding more - but is there really that much difference between JJ and TT here? What is he going to call with that makes TT any worse than JJ - he's folding anything other than the hands that crush either, surely?

There's a decent chance he's only calling us with AA, no?

This makes it more of a ship.

do you only call with AA in all honesty james

This was my thinking.  He calls with AA, and maybe KK.  What about QQ?

So if that's the limit to his calling range, then our shipping range needs to be far wider to include all the medium pairs?

that is very flawed thinking

this really dependant upon how big stack is playing - and if i am the big stack here and i have raised the last (lets say 5 hands) I am snapping off any shove from this stack with any A and 99+ probs KQs  (although that sould rep a small part of my any 2 range I agree)

please dont think i am playing optimally - its just a spite call as he shouldnt be shoving

there's a decent chance hes only opening AA tho

and the shove is of course theoretically worse if he has been nitty

edit - sigh ninja'd by rupert

It's probably possible to fold AA here so yes if the stacks are right and we've already locked up a seat I would def be folding anything else.

Of course he might call us light if he's not very good (like Guy, lol), so perhaps we should OPR him to help our decision



But yeah this is a problem, I guess I was assuming villain had been opening a decent amount when I said ship

 ;nana;

He is defo better than Guy  ;)

fwiw - shoving against someone like me with JJ is pretty terrible

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

 395,542,224  games     0.396 secs   998,844,000  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    63.823%     63.39%    00.43%         250751506      1696879.00   { JdJh }
Hand 1:    36.177%     35.75%    00.43%         141396960      1696879.00   { 99+, A2s+, KQs, A2o+, KQo }

Yeah, but he's chip leader... ;)

the above was my calling range - this is against my entire openign range (possibly a little tight)

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

 905,808,816  games     0.856 secs     1,058,187,869  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    71.350%     71.00%    00.35%         643144380      3152106.00   { JdJh }
Hand 1:    28.650%     28.30%    00.35%         256360224      3152106.00   { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q8s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, 32s, A2o+, K9o+, Q8o+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 54o, 43o, 32o }


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In a sat with a seat locked why would you be opening in first place never mind that light guy?

? - im assuming i am clunged vs people  reshoving me with JJ

who is going to play back at me?

i think its fair to say anyone who has been on one of my tables on the satty bubble will know that im not lying

clunged is probs just splashing around, doubt he calls anything if u pile on him

Agree- reckon he's raise/folding way more than people are giving credit for.

so ship ATC then????!!!!??!?!??

Sorry fella, it was a crap joke/dig.

You said "shoving against someone like me" - and I was just pointing out he was chip leader...

;marks;

lol - properly wooshed