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Title: Nit Tax Post by: pleno1 on February 23, 2011, 06:15:56 PM Playing crdit card roullete with 9 friends. The bill comes to £665 without a tip. One of the guys reallllllly wants to buy out of CCR. What is a reasonable price to let him off with?
Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Dry em on February 23, 2011, 06:17:40 PM £75.
Don't see why people should be forced to gamble if they don't want to, especially if you are all friends Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Woodsey on February 23, 2011, 06:23:23 PM Fk that I would never do it for that amount. I'd pay my fair share and be done with it, you can't force people to gamble for those sums.
Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: titaniumbean on February 23, 2011, 06:29:58 PM Playing crdit card roullete with 9 friends. The bill comes to £665 without a tip. One of the guys reallllllly wants to buy out of CCR. What is a reasonable price to let him off with? It should be sorted before the meal imo. Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: GrindMachine on February 23, 2011, 06:32:24 PM depends, if he's a down right tight a*se nit then £100 min
if he's not as well off, or is a family man then £75 Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: GreekStein on February 23, 2011, 06:32:46 PM I flip for pretty much anything but I would never ever make anyone feel they had to.
If he's a friend, let him buy out for the amount he had / an even split. You realise that he probably won't wanna come next time if you make him flip? If you force him to flip through peer pressure and he loses, he'll feel like shit and you probably will too. Lot of douschey posts atm pea lenno Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: kinboshi on February 23, 2011, 06:33:21 PM £75. Don't see why people should be forced to gamble if they don't want to, especially if you are all friends This. Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: mondatoo on February 23, 2011, 06:34:03 PM £75. Don't see why people should be forced to gamble if they don't want to, This. Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: EvilPie on February 23, 2011, 06:41:50 PM Just work out what his meal cost and let him pay that on his own plus whatever he feels is an appropriate tip.
Under no circumstances make him feel bad for not flipping. He's not being a nit he just doesn't fancy risking £665 to win £70ish. Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: TightEnd on February 23, 2011, 06:43:20 PM the phrase "Nit tax" is pretty objectionable really.
Let him pay for his share of the bill, simple as that, and put your big waving cocks away Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: pleno1 on February 23, 2011, 06:53:12 PM I flip for pretty much anything but I would never ever make anyone feel they had to. If he's a friend, let him buy out for the amount he had / an even split. You realise that he probably won't wanna come next time if you make him flip? If you force him to flip through peer pressure and he loses, he'll feel like shit and you probably will too. Lot of douschey posts atm pea lenno I've been really nice recently. It happened a while ago and I was the one saying buying out at spot is fine. But because he plays alot in casinos and is v.spewy people thought he had to pay a premium. Sorry for poasting. Don't jump to judge peeps. Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: George2Loose on February 23, 2011, 07:09:40 PM Agree- no one should feel like they have to flip.
Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: DaveShoelace on February 23, 2011, 07:16:15 PM I'd probably suggest a double or nothing credit card roulette where half the group pay and the other dont.
Or a Fifty50 credit card roulette, where half dont pay and the other half pay based on how much food they've eaten. I all seriousness though if I were the guy who didn't want to play I would simply call everyone a bunch of pricks and tell the waitress I'm paying for mine separately. Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: GreekStein on February 23, 2011, 07:20:27 PM 50-50 credit card roulette? Sure sounds fun. Nitnitnit
I hope ppl don't look down on flipping as a result of this thread cos its awesome Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Bongo on February 24, 2011, 02:08:22 AM I read a book recently that made the point that flipping* would make everyone happier than each paying their share. Basically the negative feelings of paying aren't linear so if everyone pays a small amount they all take a big negative hit but if only one person pays the bill the total negativity is decreased.
*It actually used the example of taking it in turns to pay for the meal, which is what flipping is long term. Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Woodsey on February 24, 2011, 02:12:05 AM I read a book recently that made the point that flipping* would make everyone happier than each paying their share. Basically the negative feelings of paying aren't linear so if everyone pays a small amount they all take a big negative hit but if only one person pays the bill the total negativity is decreased. *It actually used the example of taking it in turns to pay for the meal, which is what flipping is long term. The fact that you never go out with the same group of people often enough makes all that utter bollocks I'm afraid............ Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Bongo on February 24, 2011, 02:17:00 AM But if I had friends it might apply? ;marks;
I think you're right in taking it in turns to pay - if you don't go out often enough it might no even out etc. In terms of flips I don't think it matters if you go out with the same group or not - as long as the places you eat are of a similar price then in the long term your average cost will be around the same as just splitting the bill. Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Woodsey on February 24, 2011, 02:22:23 AM But if I had friends it might apply? ;marks; I think you're right in taking it in turns to pay - if you don't go out often enough it might no even out etc. In terms of flips I don't think it matters if you go out with the same group or not - as long as the places you eat are of a similar price then in the long term your average cost will be around the same as just splitting the bill. I don't know about you but all my proper friends who I go out with all the time are non gamblers, if I even suggested this as a possible option I would be told to GTFO in no uncertain terms. Even I think flipping for meals is stupid and I have my degen moments............ Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: AndrewT on February 24, 2011, 02:50:58 AM Flipping or not should be established at the start of the meal. How else are you able to gain flip equity through ordering?
Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Cf on February 24, 2011, 02:55:19 AM I read a book recently that made the point that flipping* would make everyone happier than each paying their share. Basically the negative feelings of paying aren't linear so if everyone pays a small amount they all take a big negative hit but if only one person pays the bill the total negativity is decreased. *It actually used the example of taking it in turns to pay for the meal, which is what flipping is long term. The fact that you never go out with the same group of people often enough makes all that utter bollocks I'm afraid............ Perhaps the example of buying rounds in a pub better illustrates your point... Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Woodsey on February 24, 2011, 02:59:35 AM I read a book recently that made the point that flipping* would make everyone happier than each paying their share. Basically the negative feelings of paying aren't linear so if everyone pays a small amount they all take a big negative hit but if only one person pays the bill the total negativity is decreased. *It actually used the example of taking it in turns to pay for the meal, which is what flipping is long term. The fact that you never go out with the same group of people often enough makes all that utter bollocks I'm afraid............ Perhaps the example of buying rounds in a pub better illustrates your point... Yep probably, ending up on the bad end of £30 for beers is meh. £700 is not meh by any stretch of the imagination......... Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Horneris on February 24, 2011, 04:24:16 AM I always happily pay a small amount of nit tax because I accept its poor form not to flip but when the bills are huge I just usually can't afford to risk it for a biscuit.
Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: cambridgealex on February 24, 2011, 05:19:12 AM pleno has bluffed the whole forum here. all his mates i met didn't want to flip for £80 meal tabs 4way!
also It happened a while ago and I was the one saying buying out at spot is fine. another claim Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: action man on February 24, 2011, 05:35:03 AM 10% nit tax
Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: Royal Flush on February 24, 2011, 09:24:33 AM Nit tax is applied on small bills not big ones imo
Nandos = nit tax Nobu = no tax Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: pleno1 on February 24, 2011, 09:36:55 AM pleno has bluffed the whole forum here. all his mates i met didn't want to flip for £80 meal tabs 4way! also It happened a while ago and I was the one saying buying out at spot is fine. another claim [ ] We ever went for a meal with more than 4 people The guys who we went with were video producers/players/and a couple of staff who played teh pokers. It was atually us talking about "nit tax" in gib that made me think of this subject again. You said something that I really agreed with but can't remember the exact words, something like.. "Flipping is +ev as long as the bill amount is neutral as it is neutral ev, but good social banter making it +ev" Title: Re: Nit Tax Post by: kinboshi on February 24, 2011, 10:17:46 AM I read a book recently that made the point that flipping* would make everyone happier than each paying their share. Basically the negative feelings of paying aren't linear so if everyone pays a small amount they all take a big negative hit but if only one person pays the bill the total negativity is decreased. *It actually used the example of taking it in turns to pay for the meal, which is what flipping is long term. It's also about risk/reward ratio. Mitch losing the flip in the hotel at Gatwick before we went to Vegas definitely made me happier than it should have. If I ever think I'm getting ripped off by a restaurant, I just think back to that moment and all is well in the world. |