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Title: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: DMorgan on March 05, 2011, 01:52:00 AM
Live 5/10 at DTD

Reads:
Hero has been playing pretty solid, no real hands of note

Villain 1 is a fish, previously stacked  Aspades Ts calling off after two all ins on  8c Tc 3s vs one very tight player that flatted a flop lead and jammed over another players raise. He always has a set here, he had 33

Villain 2 is young, fairly aggro but hasn't done anything much of note and Hero has only played with him once before

Hero (UTG+1) £3.1k
Villain 1 (BTN) £900
Villain 2 (CO) £3.4k

Hero opens with ??? to £35, 3 callers including both villains

Flop (£140) 6h 7h  Jc
Hero checks, Villain 2 bets £125, Villain 1 calls, Hero raises to £375, 2 calls

Turn (£1265)  9d
Hero bets £850, Villain 2 is all in for £2990, Villain 1 calls all in for £490, Hero calls all in for £2140 with ???


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: pleno1 on March 05, 2011, 02:18:32 AM
sets/ j8/j10/j9hh


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: cambridgealex on March 05, 2011, 02:21:42 AM
It's 2140 to win 5595 so we need to be 27% to call.

That's all for now.


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: cambridgealex on March 05, 2011, 02:25:18 AM
sets/ j8/j10/j9hh

i like this.

i would call with T8 as well fwiw though


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: outragous76 on March 05, 2011, 10:38:47 AM
I thoroughly recommend that the hero looks at his cards!  :P

Have u got 89hh?

As for calling, probs sets, nfd, big combos


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 05, 2011, 12:31:52 PM
It's 2140 to win 5595 so we need to be 27% to call.

Ok, ranges for other 2 might be wrongish (second one is the fish) Im lying down whilst doing this lol

This is im sure the "top of our range"

equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    40.405%     39.27%    01.14%       19965661769    579423428.83   { JJ, 77-66, AhKh, AhJh, KcQc, KhQh, Jh9h, T8s }
Hand 1:    33.177%     30.63%    02.55%       15572902199    1297111688.33   { J8s+, AJo, KJo, QJo, J9o+ }
Hand 2:    26.418%     23.61%    02.80%       12007778438    1425242106.83   { 77-66, AhJh, Ah9h, J9s, Th9h, Th8h, J9o }

Put some Jx's gutshots and OP's in....


   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    47.583%     45.82%    01.76%       67207731260    2585401961.33   { JJ+, 77-66, AhKh, AJs, KcQc, KhQh, KJs, QhJh, JTs, Jh9h, J8s, T8s+, AJo }
Hand 1:    26.463%     23.80%    02.66%       34906538774    3907844974.83   { J8s+, AJo, KJo, QJo, J9o+ }
Hand 2:    25.954%     24.12%    01.83%       35378156270    2690487775.83   { 77-66, AhJh, Ah9h, J9s, Th9h, Th8h, J9o }

Now to open it up to include more naked Jx's and NFDs (this range includes some hand I don't think you would raise the flop with so deep)

equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    40.165%     37.30%    02.86%       94927441110    7289086743.67   { JJ+, 77-66, AhKh, AhQh, AJs, AhTh, KcQc, KhQh, KJs, KhTh, QJs, QhTh, JTs, Jh9h, J8s, T8s+, AJo, KJo, QJo, J8o+ }
Hand 1:    29.595%     26.02%    03.57%       66227182052    9090667641.17   { J8s+, AJo, KJo, QJo, J9o+ }
Hand 2:    30.240%     28.34%    01.90%       72119632722    4838806617.17   { 77-66, AhJh, Ah9h, J9s, Th9h, Th8h, J9o }

seems to me thanks to the fish in the hand we can be going with majority of the value range we raise the flop with and expect to be in decent-good shape

again apologies for mistakes its hard to do lying down :)


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: outragous76 on March 05, 2011, 01:14:57 PM
I think you can ignore the short stack in the hand. The only consideration you need to give is his card removal affect on your hand


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 05, 2011, 01:19:52 PM
mmmm idk I think the fish might scoop his side of the pot every so often, his range is almost entirely Jx's imo and the other two ranges will jave more draws so  he could win sometimes


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: smashedagain on March 05, 2011, 01:41:54 PM
Hero calls all in for £2140 with ........
fingers crossed. gl at footy today dan


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: TheFallen on March 05, 2011, 02:57:42 PM
big draws and 77,JJ,99

i recon the toughest decision is 66 or AJhh.


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: redarmi on March 05, 2011, 03:47:37 PM
AJhh/J9hh/8T/89hh/45hh definitely.  Probably any two heart combo with an 8 or 10 in it.  I think sets are the difficult decisions here.  Think top set is a crying call and probably so is a set of nines because that is pretty underepped.  Other sets I fold and hate my life if I was in front.  My guess is you have a set (probably jacks).


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: DMorgan on March 05, 2011, 04:04:44 PM
And for the big reveal...

I'm villain 2 in this hand and had 9h Th
Vilain 1 has Qh Tc (lol)
Hero pretty much snapped it off with  Aspades Ac

Thoughts on my line with 9h Th?


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: GreekStein on March 05, 2011, 04:31:42 PM
did u get there?


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: redarmi on March 05, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
did u get there?

Would it have been posted if he did ;-)???

Think you played it fine fwiw.  Out of interest do you make the call if the turn had been a blank???


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: skolsuper on March 05, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
50p please


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: TheFallen on March 05, 2011, 05:22:53 PM
Think the line is cool vs the right person and it's good as it gets him off better draws as well and means your basically never gona be barrelled off the best hand on the river.
I guess the problem is that it kinda looks like what it is (he obv folds on a T turn) but he shuda still mucked it with no redraw for backup. Terrible call and Lol at the flop c/r, had a suspicion that was someone else


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 06, 2011, 12:52:35 AM
big draws and 77,JJ,99

i recon the toughest decision is 66 or AJhh.

The only tough desicion you have with 66 is whether you say call, then put your chips in, or put your chips in as you're saying call


Title: Re: 5/10 - One of those annoying 'what do you call with?' threads
Post by: Whollyflush on March 06, 2011, 01:17:17 PM
the 9d isn't a particularly good card for this, ideally a Tx/Qx or one of our outs rolls off. With the guy behind its very possible a ton of our outs are cleaned up with him either having a weaker or a stronger FD. In theory i think the turn may well be a fold, although i suspect in gametime i'd play it the same.