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Title: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: Ironside on March 05, 2011, 03:44:30 AM
1 in 2 of us are going to cash average is about 30k
fist pump shove or fold?
no one has been really active


Tournament #409010875, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2011/03/05 3:33:54 WET [2011/03/04 22:33:54 ET]
Table '409010875 98' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: mounir00 (13032 in chips)
Seat 2: Ironside (53303 in chips)
Seat 3: RERAISEAA (30919 in chips)
Seat 4: takesallcash (27181 in chips)
Seat 5: SnappinFools (67476 in chips)
Seat 6: rocio666 (27300 in chips)
Seat 7: rheeroy (76488 in chips)
Seat 8: YurgiBE (10281 in chips)
Seat 9: Flatland Al (12818 in chips) is sitting out
mounir00: posts the ante 100
Ironside: posts the ante 100
RERAISEAA: posts the ante 100
takesallcash: posts the ante 100
SnappinFools: posts the ante 100
rocio666: posts the ante 100
rheeroy: posts the ante 100
YurgiBE: posts the ante 100
Flatland Al: posts the ante 100
takesallcash: posts small blind 500
SnappinFools: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [Qd Qs]
rocio666: folds
rheeroy: raises 1100 to 2100
YurgiBE: folds
Flatland Al: folds
mounir00: folds
Ironside: raises 3900 to 6000
RERAISEAA: folds
takesallcash: folds
SnappinFools: raises 8222 to 14222
rheeroy: folds


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: pleno1 on March 05, 2011, 03:50:52 AM
any reads at all? i'll get loled at but its close to a fold.


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: cambridgealex on March 05, 2011, 03:58:26 AM
i like to see flops so i can outplay my opponents. qq might as well be 22 its the same odds vs ak so i call and see a flop without an ace or king then shove, would be nice to flop a set also. so i sometimes backraise pre and then call when they backraise back so i can see a flop and then bet to see where i am at. i folded qq preflop many times and that is why i am not broke and have over 100k cashes on hendon mob because everytime i did they had aces or kings. once i folded aces pre before because i knew that the other guy had kings and just felt like he was going to win and sure enough a king came on the flop. its plays like that that give me a nice life roll investments and nice life.


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: Ironside on March 05, 2011, 04:02:35 AM
i like to see flops so i can outplay my opponents. qq might as well be 22 its the same odds vs ak so i call and see a flop without an ace or king then shove, would be nice to flop a set also. so i sometimes backraise pre and then call when they backraise back so i can see a flop and then bet to see where i am at. i folded qq preflop many times and that is why i am not broke and have over 100k cashes on hendon mob because everytime i did they had aces or kings. once i folded aces pre before because i knew that the other guy had kings and just felt like he was going to win and sure enough a king came on the flop. its plays like that that give me a nice life roll investments and nice life.

lmao at the level

any reads at all? i'll get loled at but its close to a fold.

not really i am in a turbo as well and it was bubble time


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: MC on March 05, 2011, 09:21:32 AM
1 in 2 of us are going to cash

it was bubble time

???


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: smashedagain on March 05, 2011, 10:11:03 AM
i like to see flops so i can outplay my opponents. qq might as well be 22 its the same odds vs ak so i call and see a flop without an ace or king then shove, would be nice to flop a set also. so i sometimes backraise pre and then call when they backraise back so i can see a flop and then bet to see where i am at. i folded qq preflop many times and that is why i am not broke and have over 100k cashes on hendon mob because everytime i did they had aces or kings. once i folded aces pre before because i knew that the other guy had kings and just felt like he was going to win and sure enough a king came on the flop. its plays like that that give me a nice life roll investments and nice life.
pmsl. You legend. That just about covers it. Dont plan on playing the 6 max sunday young man. See you on the final table. Once your mum realizes you aint gonna gamble your house away then they come round. Took ten years but my mum now shows a keen interest.


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 05, 2011, 11:54:03 AM
Jam unless vs a huge nit


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: smashedagain on March 05, 2011, 12:22:54 PM
Jam unless vs a huge nit
in which case you would take a deep breath sigh and jam anyway


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: MC on March 05, 2011, 12:33:15 PM
once i folded aces pre before because i knew that the other guy had kings and just felt like he was going to win and sure enough a king came on the flop. its plays like that that give me a nice life roll investments and nice life.

Please say this is a level otherwise you should never play poker again.


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 05, 2011, 12:36:01 PM
Jam unless vs a huge nit
in which case you would take a deep breath sigh and jam anyway

mmm yh lol probs, I would have to have strong evidence he's a massive, massive nit

actually raise-calling would be better, just going off his bet sizing he might be a bit spewy, you're obv never 5b folding but might give him roomto spazz out, jamming looks weaker and much more likely to get a call from  9d 9c -  Jc Jd


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: MC on March 05, 2011, 12:44:59 PM
jamming looks weaker and much more likely to get a call from  9d 9c -  Jc Jd

wouldn't that be a good thing??


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 05, 2011, 01:21:34 PM
jamming looks weaker and much more likely to get a call from  9d 9c -  Jc Jd

wouldn't that be a good thing??

yh Jamming ftw (thats wat id do...), but raise call might be better give him some room to spazz...
IDK how you ply these silly short stacks lol


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: smashedagain on March 05, 2011, 01:29:29 PM
once i folded aces pre before because i knew that the other guy had kings and just felt like he was going to win and sure enough a king came on the flop. its plays like that that give me a nice life roll investments and nice life.

Please say this is a level otherwise you should never play poker again.
james this is the same way i got to 3 handed with you in gallway. i dont see it as a big mistake folding aces pre lol


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: Ironside on March 05, 2011, 06:47:44 PM

i was around the bubble in a turbo another MTT so wasnt paying as much attention to this table


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: Ironside on March 05, 2011, 06:52:35 PM
i folded didnt like the fact that opener and 4better both had me covered and i had nearly 2x average thought the 4better had to have a very narrow range

later on i noticed i should of been getting it all in after he 5bet shoved with A2 againsts a bigger stack and flopped the wheel


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: pleno1 on March 05, 2011, 07:33:40 PM
can only go with reads u have, wp :)


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: MC on March 05, 2011, 09:00:54 PM

i was around the bubble in a turbo another MTT so wasnt paying as much attention to this table

ahhhhhh gotcha. Misread what you put, sorry.

once i folded aces pre before because i knew that the other guy had kings and just felt like he was going to win and sure enough a king came on the flop. its plays like that that give me a nice life roll investments and nice life.

Please say this is a level otherwise you should never play poker again.
james this is the same way i got to 3 handed with you in gallway. i dont see it as a big mistake folding aces pre lol

GTFO Jason. You better be levelling as well! Folding AA pre in a non-satellite-with-secure-seat situation is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

This is the same kind of thing as those people who call raises with junk, their rationale being "they had a feeling". All those people go broke.


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: Ironside on March 05, 2011, 09:39:36 PM
Am I likely to ever be good if I get 2x average chips in here? It's a 11 with 1r1a with  the 3 stacks being a lot shorter I can see the risk reward being much better but it seemed to me risky putting a good position in jeopardy if all the chips went in I am only 50/50 at best imho when I think I am 70/30 to cash from this spot when I can kick on


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: Boba Fett on March 05, 2011, 10:47:10 PM
Am I likely to ever be good if I get 2x average chips in here? It's a 11 with 1r1a with  the 3 stacks being a lot shorter I can see the risk reward being much better but it seemed to me risky putting a good position in jeopardy if all the chips went in I am only 50/50 at best imho when I think I am 70/30 to cash from this spot when I can kick on
If this is the case you should be flatting the raise rather than 3bet/folding


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: pleno1 on March 05, 2011, 11:01:24 PM
Am I likely to ever be good if I get 2x average chips in here? It's a 11 with 1r1a with  the 3 stacks being a lot shorter I can see the risk reward being much better but it seemed to me risky putting a good position in jeopardy if all the chips went in I am only 50/50 at best imho when I think I am 70/30 to cash from this spot when I can kick on
If this is the case you should be flatting the raise rather than 3bet/folding

Yeah he was cold 4bet though


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 06, 2011, 12:50:29 AM
folding can be a bis mistake sometimes, that is my worry


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: Nico29 on March 06, 2011, 08:26:28 AM

i was around the bubble in a turbo another MTT so wasnt paying as much attention to this table

ahhhhhh gotcha. Misread what you put, sorry.

once i folded aces pre before because i knew that the other guy had kings and just felt like he was going to win and sure enough a king came on the flop. its plays like that that give me a nice life roll investments and nice life.

Please say this is a level otherwise you should never play poker again.
james this is the same way i got to 3 handed with you in gallway. i dont see it as a big mistake folding aces pre lol

GTFO Jason. You better be levelling as well! Folding AA pre in a non-satellite-with-secure-seat situation is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

This is the same kind of thing as those people who call raises with junk, their rationale being "they had a feeling". All those people go broke.


Feeling u might be biting here james.

Oh and get this in already ffs we have qq, we play to win..


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: MC on March 06, 2011, 10:21:18 AM

Feeling u might be biting here james.

Oh and get this in already ffs we have qq, we play to win..

yeah you're probs right ;sexybanana;


Title: Re: QQ 4 bet?
Post by: smashedagain on March 06, 2011, 10:49:50 AM

Feeling u might be biting here james.

Oh and get this in already ffs we have qq, we play to win..

yeah you're probs right ;sexybanana;
am only kidding jimbo. am following your stakements blog with avid interest. luckily not enough posts yet to make dumb comments on there