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Title: WU Spot Post by: pleno1 on March 06, 2011, 07:57:44 PM Guy has bad OPR stats. Last hand he raised to 1500 and everbody folded, this time he makes it 1000. After I 3bet, he IMMEDIATELY clicks it back to this.. Thoughts on everything please.
PokerStars Game #58765709202: Tournament #409020016, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (250/500) - 2011/03/06 14:52:16 ET Table '409020016 435' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: HAIDUC500 (46623 in chips) Seat 2: MONSTER_DONG (21026 in chips) Seat 3: Belinda20 (41987 in chips) Seat 4: Catenaccio (9650 in chips) Seat 5: Edgaraz (18286 in chips) Seat 6: vitoboy78 (31548 in chips) Seat 7: pads1161 (15440 in chips) Seat 8: DRluck3 (18972 in chips) Seat 9: AJinOK (28666 in chips) HAIDUC500: posts the ante 25 MONSTER_DONG: posts the ante 25 Belinda20: posts the ante 25 Catenaccio: posts the ante 25 Edgaraz: posts the ante 25 vitoboy78: posts the ante 25 pads1161: posts the ante 25 DRluck3: posts the ante 25 AJinOK: posts the ante 25 MONSTER_DONG: posts small blind 250 Belinda20: posts big blind 500 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [Ah Qs] Catenaccio: folds Edgaraz: folds vitoboy78: raises 500 to 1000 pads1161: raises 1455 to 2455 DRluck3: folds AJinOK: folds HAIDUC500: folds MONSTER_DONG: folds Belinda20: folds vitoboy78: raises 1656 to 4111 pads1161: Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: George2Loose on March 06, 2011, 08:01:46 PM errrr easiest fold ever
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: outragous76 on March 06, 2011, 08:01:57 PM dont 3 bet
fold now Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: action man on March 06, 2011, 08:02:20 PM peel unless ur willing to get it in
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: pleno1 on March 06, 2011, 08:03:17 PM Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: pleno1 on March 06, 2011, 08:05:54 PM This was my thought process..
i just thought he was weka ebcause he made it 1k instead of 1500 like usual [20:04:07] Patrick Leonard: hes polarised between eithe being super strong or super weak when he does it [20:04:13] Patrick Leonard: and i tink its weak like 80% of the time [20:04:18] Patrick Leonard: so +ev with that read as i win the pot [20:04:25] Patrick Leonard: and i have blockers so its harder for him to be super strong Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: George2Loose on March 06, 2011, 08:07:34 PM Dont normally advocate 3 bet folding but fish have aces here around 99.4% of the time
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: pleno1 on March 06, 2011, 08:10:41 PM so u agree that 3betting is ok, or agree with trigg?
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: George2Loose on March 06, 2011, 08:11:47 PM usually agree with trigg but in this instance I fold
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: action man on March 06, 2011, 08:16:29 PM just peel and play the clown in pos, only reason im 3betting here is to induce him to spew, if ive got no evidence of him doing this 3bet fold AQs is spew imo
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: George2Loose on March 06, 2011, 08:22:54 PM Too shallow to peel even with pos surely?
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: outragous76 on March 06, 2011, 08:23:15 PM just peel and play the clown in pos, only reason im 3betting here is to induce him to spew, if ive got no evidence of him doing this 3bet fold AQs is spew imo that Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: George2Loose on March 06, 2011, 08:26:08 PM U have 15k at start of hand and your peeling for 4k. Villians range is strong. Peeling is more of a spew in this case than folding imo
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: titaniumbean on March 06, 2011, 08:30:38 PM U have 15k at start of hand and your peeling for 4k. Villians range is strong. Peeling is more of a spew in this case than folding imo I assume trigg means peel pre not 3 bet peel 4 bet. Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: George2Loose on March 06, 2011, 08:32:04 PM sorry yeh lol- agree
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: cambridgealex on March 07, 2011, 03:04:39 PM yar dont 3bet and fold now.
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: NigDawG on March 07, 2011, 03:25:15 PM in before 3b folding = 72o argument ;)
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 05:19:47 PM in before 3b folding = 72o argument ;) haha :) I genuinely think this is actually ok, and don't want to seem like the sturbborn brat that won't accept what all these winning players are telling me. Previously when I have had something in my head that I really believe I have posted then afterwards been like yeah they are right. I'm also way past the dont 3b fold a value hand and this was very much so player specific. Anyways he did this later on and called a 5b with kjo, sigh :) Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: cambridgealex on March 07, 2011, 05:29:04 PM Could someone pls enlighten me as a general noob as to the aforementioned 72 argument and why we don't 3b fold a value hand etc. Kthx
. Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 05:35:06 PM Could someone pls enlighten me as a general noob as to the aforementioned 72 argument and why we don't 3b fold a value hand etc. Kthx . I used to have it in my hand that if you 3bet folded a value hand then it was basically 72o suit. Nigdawg disagreed and I was abit arrogant and was like wtf, im right. Now I do the exact same thing and in fact think its really good in certain spots. I did an article with Jack Ellwood in Februarys Poker Player magazine and we talk about it in a little more detail there. Its actually a pretty sick article for new/beginners/intermediate/semi advanced players so check it out innit. Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: cambridgealex on March 07, 2011, 05:41:20 PM But that's if they're only going to 4b or fold. Why not 3b if they could peel with worse? :S
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 05:43:54 PM But that's if they're only going to 4b or fold. Why not 3b if they could peel with worse? :S Yeah thats the point, if its vs a guy that NEVER 4bets worse/ peels quite alot then tis fine, but 3betting with a valkue hand vs a reg that only 4bets/folds is bad for obv reasons. Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: Rupert on March 07, 2011, 08:46:11 PM is your 3 bet a bluff value or clicking buttons. if its a bluff or for value, there must be some reasons why...
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 09:50:00 PM is your 3 bet a bluff value or clicking buttons. if its a bluff or for value, there must be some reasons why... Sigh, I have given my reasons ITT. He opened to 3x all the time, now he gets to LP and he mins, I expect this to either be super strong or super weak, I'd guesstimate 80% of the time it would be the latter and he would fold a huge % of the time and sometimes peel where I can own in position for rest of the hand. I felt he would never 4bet worse as he was a satalite qualifier and had a decent stack, but could def see him folding pairs/peeling and folding flops. Also I think most of his peeling range I dominate like Qx kinda hands and the ones I dont I usually win when he c/f flop Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: George2Loose on March 07, 2011, 09:52:19 PM Keep posting hands Pleno- they bring up some interesting debate
Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 10:11:45 PM Keep posting hands Pleno- they bring up some interesting debate Hope its not a rub :P But always happy to post hands where I think I played bad/unsure. Most of them will be HU hands though so hard to get many people in who are interested Title: Re: WU Spot Post by: George2Loose on March 07, 2011, 11:15:53 PM Keep posting hands Pleno- they bring up some interesting debate Hope its not a rub :P But always happy to post hands where I think I played bad/unsure. Most of them will be HU hands though so hard to get many people in who are interested Nope no rubs or levels |