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Title: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: paulhouk03 on March 07, 2011, 02:34:12 AM *********** # 225 **************PokerStars Game #58786784266: Tournament #409020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2011/03/07 2:05:05 WET [2011/03/06 21:05:05 ET]Table '409020010 589' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Kboy845 (71311 in chips) Seat 2: FreezeOutLV (117656 in chips) Seat 3: predy82 (47050 in chips) Seat 4: Ferry13 (39717 in chips) Seat 5: crow2go (34326 in chips) Seat 6: paulhouk03 (53026 in chips) Seat 7: heymr (219074 in chips) Seat 8: wahoozle (67287 in chips) Seat 9: ouchbadbeat (78602 in chips) Kboy845: posts the ante 400 FreezeOutLV: posts the ante 400 predy82: posts the ante 400 Ferry13: posts the ante 400 crow2go: posts the ante 400 paulhouk03: posts the ante 400 heymr: posts the ante 400 wahoozle: posts the ante 400 ouchbadbeat: posts the ante 40 0Ferry13: posts small blind 2000 crow2go: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to paulhouk03 [xx] have about 13 bigs last orbit i have jammed 4 times and got no action you can easily fold to min cash what range would u jam with here the cash is not significant but it s an nice sum of $$$ would u change ur range if it was significant money? also 7450-3000 has no pay jumps Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Longy on March 07, 2011, 02:39:43 AM I am never playing a tourney to min cash, so am just pushing pretty close to cEV here.
Range= 33+, a10+,a8s+, kq, qjs+. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: paulhouk03 on March 07, 2011, 02:50:24 AM I am never playing a tourney to min cash, so am just pushing pretty close to cEV here. Range= 33+, a10+,a8s+, kq, qjs+. would u do this in the wsop ME? Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: MC on March 07, 2011, 12:26:06 PM Kboy845: posts the ante 400 FreezeOutLV: posts the ante 400 predy82: posts the ante 400 Ferry13: posts the ante 400 crow2go: posts the ante 400 paulhouk03: posts the ante 400 heymr: posts the ante 400 wahoozle: posts the ante 400 ouchbadbeat: posts the ante 40 Mbn Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Cf on March 07, 2011, 12:28:26 PM How easily can we fold to min cash? If like folding a couple of hands in this spot guarantees us a min cash then we should be folding pretty much everything? The jump from $0->$500orwhateveritis is pretty big, esp if there's another 3000 players before a money jump.
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 12:33:00 PM Jamming 77+
AJ+ Suited broadways. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: paulhouk03 on March 07, 2011, 12:36:12 PM Folding another orbit will guarentee getting paid
But I was talking to a few mates and they said play to win etc etc But there's still 7k players left to beat Would u just fold anything to get to 350$ Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Cf on March 07, 2011, 12:51:48 PM I think at that point i'm happy to fold to lock some cash up. Playing to win is fine but there's a long way to go yet. I'd be tempted to just sit out for 10 mins and step away from the computer.
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 12:53:11 PM I think at that point i'm happy to fold to lock some cash up. Playing to win is fine but there's a long way to go yet. I'd be tempted to just sit out for 10 mins and step away from the computer. If this was a $3 tournie would you approach it in same way? Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 12:56:29 PM I think at that point i'm happy to fold to lock some cash up. Playing to win is fine but there's a long way to go yet. I'd be tempted to just sit out for 10 mins and step away from the computer. If this was a $3 tournie would you approach it in same way? these are redic statements as the money has inherent value to someone In short thou Paul - if we are a few hand from the $$$$ no point in engaging in ICM suicide (*EMSBAS 2010) - just lock it up and open up post bubble- afterall everyone else will do the same Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Cf on March 07, 2011, 12:56:53 PM I think at that point i'm happy to fold to lock some cash up. Playing to win is fine but there's a long way to go yet. I'd be tempted to just sit out for 10 mins and step away from the computer. If this was a $3 tournie would you approach it in same way? No. But if it's a tourney i'm taking a shot at (as implied by topic title...), then the entry fee prob means a decent amount to me. I'd be happy to lock up a cash in this situation. We can focus on winning the thing after we've done that. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:14:33 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t.
If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: StuartHopkin on March 07, 2011, 01:26:50 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. Okay so what about if yoy satted in for $500 and when you said Ill take the $$ please they told you this wasnt an option. I know its not quite the same but if a min cash meant a chunk to you then what do you do here? Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 01:27:58 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. Okay so what about if yoy satted in for $500 and when you said Ill take the $$ please they told you this wasnt an option. I know its not quite the same but if a min cash meant a chunk to you then what do you do here? exactly! dont get me wrong im not nit folding - but im not open shoving 66 either Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:30:08 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. This. Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:30:41 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. Okay so what about if yoy satted in for $500 and when you said Ill take the $$ please they told you this wasnt an option. I know its not quite the same but if a min cash meant a chunk to you then what do you do here? Tbh Stu I would never attempt to sat into WSOP for $500 these days if I couldn't take the cash. I have found in the past that playing for money that makes me uncomfortable really effects my game, therefore my solution has been to never play a game that I am not ridic overrolled for. I am currently 1000 buyins deep for my avg stake on stars! Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: LeKnave on March 07, 2011, 01:31:54 PM I am never playing a tourney to min cash, so am just pushing pretty close to cEV here. Range= 33+, a10+,a8s+, kq, qjs+. seems way too wide Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:33:54 PM I am never playing a tourney to min cash, so am just pushing pretty close to cEV here. Range= 33+, a10+,a8s+, kq, qjs+. seems way too wide Calling range is probably AQ+ 99+ So shoving 33 is the same as shoving 88 right? Could even be jj+ depending on the player, and others aa+, so many satalite players. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: StuartHopkin on March 07, 2011, 01:35:20 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. Okay so what about if yoy satted in for $500 and when you said Ill take the $$ please they told you this wasnt an option. I know its not quite the same but if a min cash meant a chunk to you then what do you do here? Tbh Stu I would never attempt to sat into WSOP for $500 these days if I couldn't take the cash. I have found in the past that playing for money that makes me uncomfortable really effects my game, therefore my solution has been to never play a game that I am not ridic overrolled for. I am currently 1000 buyins deep for my avg stake on stars! Ha ha Okay let me rephrase You seem to have developed a bit of a sleep walking issue You wake up on de plane to Vegas, whilst youve been sleeping the last few months it appears you have been sleep grinding WSOP sats. WTF? Can you get off? NO Can you get the $$? NO How much have you spent to get in? $478.78 You get to your hotel room and think FML what the hell is going on and fall asleep. When you wake up your on the bubble of the WSOP. What to you do now? (Copyright - Inception - 2010) Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Longy on March 07, 2011, 01:36:40 PM I am never playing a tourney to min cash, so am just pushing pretty close to cEV here. Range= 33+, a10+,a8s+, kq, qjs+. seems way too wide We are playing 8bbs effective with antes taken into account. If you are folding 55, kqs and a10 here you are making pretty big mistakes regularly imo. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 01:39:57 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. This. Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal. Such bravado Mr P Leno You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG. You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove You still jam? Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: action man on March 07, 2011, 01:45:09 PM 66+ AT+ KQ/KQs seems good
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 01:55:13 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. This. Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal. Such bravado Mr P Leno You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG. You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove You still jam? Nah, I do a fold. Think its very, very different to walkign away form the computer for 10 minutes to lock up a mincash in this tournie. Also WSOP has a ridic clock so 10bbs in there when I'm on button next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13bbs in Sunday million with antes and a turbo structure. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 02:13:24 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. This. Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal. Such bravado Mr P Leno You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG. You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove You still jam? Nah, I do a fold. Think its very, very different to walkign away form the computer for 10 minutes to lock up a mincash in this tournie. Also WSOP has a ridic clock so 10bbs in there when I'm on button next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13bbs in Sunday million with antes and a turbo structure. lolz! ^^^^^^^^^^ that has got nothing to do with it. Your "its a game line" is nonesense. Its a +ev shove so why you not making it? Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: cambridgealex on March 07, 2011, 03:10:06 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. This. Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal. Such bravado Mr P Leno You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG. You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove You still jam? Nah, I do a fold. Think its very, very different to walkign away form the computer for 10 minutes to lock up a mincash in this tournie. Also WSOP has a ridic clock so 10bbs in there when I'm on button next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13bbs in Sunday million with antes and a turbo structure. lolz! ^^^^^^^^^^ that has got nothing to do with it. Your "its a game line" is nonesense. Its a +ev shove so why you not making it? yeh if you're gonna go for the "it's a game line" then you should be making the correct shoves in all spots. Folding A2 BoB in the ME would be a mistake if that is the way you're going to approach the tournament. However, if you're like me and every other low stakes grinder that miraculously finds themselves on the bubble of the ME then obviously you're going to fold the A2, wait one hand and lock up 20k. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: cambridgealex on March 07, 2011, 03:10:37 PM oh and Paul, congrats on the mincash ;)
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: paulhouk03 on March 07, 2011, 03:20:36 PM Lols I had qq didn't think twice about shoving
Thought about the hand more in depth And what situation is right to fold in that spot. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: boldie on March 07, 2011, 03:26:06 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. This. Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal for you Every players situation is different. You are of course right if you are talking to someone who plays a lot of these games and variance and all that evens out. In this case you can't just get your A2 in. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Royal Flush on March 07, 2011, 04:23:30 PM If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. This. Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal. Such bravado Mr P Leno You are on the WSOP pure bubble - you are going to lock up £20k, plus a 15k pca package, and whatever else, the table behind has a bloke with 1bb who is currently UTG. You wake up with A2 and 10bbs and its folded to you in the SB but the BB has 1000 bbs and has told you he is calling any shove You still jam? Nah, I do a fold. Think its very, very different to walkign away form the computer for 10 minutes to lock up a mincash in this tournie. Also WSOP has a ridic clock so 10bbs in there when I'm on button next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13bbs in Sunday million with antes and a turbo structure. lolz! ^^^^^^^^^^ that has got nothing to do with it. Your "its a game line" is nonesense. Its a +ev shove so why you not making it? No it isn't Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 04:27:56 PM oh right
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 33,561,158,400 games 25.475 secs 1,317,415,442 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 55.541% 53.59% 01.95% 17984432796 655818342.00 { A2s, A2o } Hand 1: 44.459% 42.50% 01.95% 14265088920 655818342.00 { random } The shove as a stand alone in a vaccum is +ev - not if you include icm considerations its not - that wasnt the thrust of P lenos arguement Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Royal Flush on March 07, 2011, 04:36:05 PM He said he would do things that are optimal, shoving a 55% spot with huge ICM considerations is not optimal.
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 07, 2011, 04:39:44 PM He said he would do things that are optimal, shoving a 55% spot with huge ICM considerations is not optimal. If you aren't going to play the tourney properly don't play it imo. If you have satted in take the $t. If I qualified for the WSOP me, i am taking the money if available to me or I have satted/ bought in with the intention that the 10k isn't that important to me and I am playing for the win. This. Poker is a game, its all about winning, everything you do is about getting all the chips. Playing like this isn't poker, you should always play what you deem to be optimal. [ ] he mentions money [ x ] he mentions chips Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 07, 2011, 04:41:38 PM Yeah to quote someone on here, I want to play optimal, I don't want to engage in ICM suicide. I love the concept of poker as a game, doing the "right" thing with the intention of winning. Walking away from the computer just completely baffles me. If I get AK/1010+ I am fistpumping. I'm super happy that I have a good chance to double up. If I shove A2 and get called I'm never really happy, with his calling range we are flipping at very best.
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 12:55:19 AM ok i am 2 hands away from a mini cash in the 5 million i can fold and buy the time i get to button we will be h4h
villian has 3 bet shoved on me 5 times each time i have folded maringal hands from 77-99 and suited broadway cards he has been more active in last 10 minutes as bubble approached shoving 3 or 4 times and hasnt shown anything other than 99 and ak AT and A9 since we sat together who calls who folds? PokerStars Game #58786237996: Tournament #409020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2011/03/07 1:49:48 WET [2011/03/06 20:49:48 ET] Table '409020010 1473' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: Bananeta (199537 in chips) Seat 2: peixo (39379 in chips) Seat 3: sincystar (15402 in chips) Seat 4: HERMES270 (24751 in chips) Seat 5: Ironside (35036 in chips) Seat 6: K-Rock2525 (64003 in chips) Seat 7: aqoras (36012 in chips) Seat 8: choksiBG (17514 in chips) Seat 9: pkrphantm08 (59148 in chips) Bananeta: posts the ante 400 peixo: posts the ante 400 sincystar: posts the ante 400 HERMES270: posts the ante 400 Ironside: posts the ante 400 K-Rock2525: posts the ante 400 aqoras: posts the ante 400 choksiBG: posts the ante 400 pkrphantm08: posts the ante 400 HERMES270: posts small blind 2000 Ironside: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Ironside [ ] K-Rock2525: raises 59603 to 63603 and is all-in aqoras: folds choksiBG: folds pkrphantm08: folds Bananeta: folds peixo: folds sincystar: folds HERMES270 has timed out HERMES270: folds HERMES270 is sitting out HERMES270 has returned Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 12:57:58 AM ok i am 2 hands away from a mini cash in the 5 million i can fold and buy the time i get to button we will be h4h villian has 3 bet shoved on me 5 times each time i have folded maringal hands from 77-99 and suited broadway cards he has been more active in last 10 minutes as bubble approached shoving 3 or 4 times and hasnt shown anything other than 99 and ak AT and A9 since we sat together who calls who folds? PokerStars Game #58786237996: Tournament #409020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2011/03/07 1:49:48 WET [2011/03/06 20:49:48 ET] Table '409020010 1473' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: Bananeta (199537 in chips) Seat 2: peixo (39379 in chips) Seat 3: sincystar (15402 in chips) Seat 4: HERMES270 (24751 in chips) Seat 5: Ironside (35036 in chips) Seat 6: K-Rock2525 (64003 in chips) Seat 7: aqoras (36012 in chips) Seat 8: choksiBG (17514 in chips) Seat 9: pkrphantm08 (59148 in chips) Bananeta: posts the ante 400 peixo: posts the ante 400 sincystar: posts the ante 400 HERMES270: posts the ante 400 Ironside: posts the ante 400 K-Rock2525: posts the ante 400 aqoras: posts the ante 400 choksiBG: posts the ante 400 pkrphantm08: posts the ante 400 HERMES270: posts small blind 2000 Ironside: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Ironside [Ac Kc ] K-Rock2525: raises 59603 to 63603 and is all-in aqoras: folds choksiBG: folds pkrphantm08: folds Bananeta: folds peixo: folds sincystar: folds HERMES270 has timed out HERMES270: folds HERMES270 is sitting out HERMES270 has returned Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: George2Loose on March 08, 2011, 01:02:01 AM Interesting convo- course money matters. Yes we play to win but you also play for $$$$
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Longy on March 08, 2011, 01:03:43 AM Obv I am calling Iron.
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: EvilPie on March 08, 2011, 01:13:35 AM Sigh calling the Ironside one and getting really pissed off when the git hits his kicker.
Never ever folding it though in this comp. If it was WSOP bubble I'd fold it 100% of the time. It just comes down to how much the min cash means and $20k means a lot more than $450. Anyone saying it makes no difference is an idiot. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Cf on March 08, 2011, 01:55:46 AM Does the fact that there's 3000+ people to be eliminated before we even hit a pay jump not make a difference here?
Obv in an STT play to win carries a lot of weight in bubble situations as there's so few players left and the pots can be a lot of the chips in play. In this comp however any pots we may win at this point do help, but they by no means guarantee us a better finishing position. We could so easily still min cash even if we double up. But by risking this we could also not cash at all. Folding might leave us slightly worse off after the bubble but a double up and we're right back in it - pretty much the same situation we're in now. Prob worded that really badly but hopefully it makes some sort of sense... Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Cf on March 08, 2011, 02:01:19 AM Or putting it this way...
FOLDING 100% chance of $350 (what ho said mincash was) 100% chance of $tournamentev1 CALLING (and let's assume we're 70/30) 30% chance of $0 70% chance of $tournamentev2 So is 0.7 x $tournamentev2 a greater value than $tournamentev1. I'm not entirely convinced it is with this many runners. And these last 2 posts aren't even considering the taking a shot aspect. Seems pretty clear cut to me. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: boldie on March 08, 2011, 07:32:36 AM I am snap calling Iron's
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 08, 2011, 09:20:06 AM I am snap calling Iron's Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 08, 2011, 09:27:40 AM iron
this is a really funny spot. You have 15bbs (which was tourney ave from level 5 to finish pretty much). In your spot as you describe, I have no problem folding here (sigh folding obv). Given the nature of the quality of play and the fact people have cashed, there are going to be tonnes of random spews as soon as the bubble does burst. So id fold here, and take similar spots (or less) once we have been paid Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 08, 2011, 10:11:55 AM iron this is a really funny spot. You have 15bbs (which was tourney ave from level 5 to finish pretty much). In your spot as you describe, I have no problem folding here (sigh folding obv). Given the nature of the quality of play and the fact people have cashed, there are going to be tonnes of random spews as soon as the bubble does burst. So id fold here, and take similar spots (or less) once we have been paid With AKcc against this maniac that is 3bet shoving lots etc? I'd think about folding AQ, I'd snap this off. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 08, 2011, 10:27:48 AM iron this is a really funny spot. You have 15bbs (which was tourney ave from level 5 to finish pretty much). In your spot as you describe, I have no problem folding here (sigh folding obv). Given the nature of the quality of play and the fact people have cashed, there are going to be tonnes of random spews as soon as the bubble does burst. So id fold here, and take similar spots (or less) once we have been paid With AKcc against this maniac that is 3bet shoving lots etc? I'd think about folding AQ, I'd snap this off. level? P leno you are confusing me Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 10:30:50 AM I thought pleno was obv with his tank fold aq snap call AK
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 08, 2011, 10:33:47 AM iron this is a really funny spot. You have 15bbs (which was tourney ave from level 5 to finish pretty much). In your spot as you describe, I have no problem folding here (sigh folding obv). Given the nature of the quality of play and the fact people have cashed, there are going to be tonnes of random spews as soon as the bubble does burst. So id fold here, and take similar spots (or less) once we have been paid With AKcc against this maniac that is 3bet shoving lots etc? I'd think about folding AQ, I'd snap this off. No, isn't this super std? level? P leno you are confusing me Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 10:38:15 AM Would be interested views on people who play this comp and difference betwwen those staked, satted in, and those buying in direct
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 10:41:23 AM Also backers how would you want your horse to play the bubble
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 08, 2011, 10:54:19 AM iron this is a really funny spot. You have 15bbs (which was tourney ave from level 5 to finish pretty much). In your spot as you describe, I have no problem folding here (sigh folding obv). Given the nature of the quality of play and the fact people have cashed, there are going to be tonnes of random spews as soon as the bubble does burst. So id fold here, and take similar spots (or less) once we have been paid With AKcc against this maniac that is 3bet shoving lots etc? I'd think about folding AQ, I'd snap this off. No, isn't this super std? level? P leno you are confusing me but the 2 hands play the same against a maniacs range Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 11:01:10 AM Why are we clashing him as a maniac? Yes he has 3 bet shoved on me a few times but never seen those hands, hands shown were against other players, I wouldn't have classed him as maniac just aggressive when in a hand
Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: outragous76 on March 08, 2011, 11:08:18 AM Why are we clashing him as a maniac? Yes he has 3 bet shoved on me a few times but never seen those hands, hands shown were against other players, I wouldn't have classed him as maniac just aggressive when in a hand edit - it doesnt change my action because (playing as you) im folding but AQ and AK play very similar anyway against what I would percieve to be a widening range the closer we get to the bubble edit - ive just looked back - this is a much clearer fold with Banetta still in the hand and to act when he shoves - i had thought this guy was the CL prior to this Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: paulhouk03 on March 08, 2011, 12:24:59 PM I don't think you can play massive field tourneys and regular tourneys the same imo
Don't think you can just say I'm playing ftw when there is 7k players left. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: The Camel on March 08, 2011, 04:21:14 PM I would call, but don't blame anyone for folding.
I've got a mate who is a multi millionaire. He folded KK in a similar spot in the WSOP main event, which totally gobsmacked me. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 08, 2011, 04:32:37 PM I would call, but don't blame anyone for folding. I've got a mate who is a multi millionaire. He folded KK in a similar spot in the WSOP main event, which totally gobsmacked me. I'm sure you have posted some hypothetical scenarios regarding WSOP main event etc, post some for us to discussssss please Keef. Title: Re: folding to min cash in a tourney ur have a shot at Post by: pleno1 on March 09, 2011, 12:48:19 AM Why are we clashing him as a maniac? Yes he has 3 bet shoved on me a few times but never seen those hands, hands shown were against other players, I wouldn't have classed him as maniac just aggressive when in a hand edit - it doesnt change my action because (playing as you) im folding but AQ and AK play very similar anyway against what I would percieve to be a widening range the closer we get to the bubble edit - ive just looked back - this is a much clearer fold with Banetta still in the hand and to act when he shoves - i had thought this guy was the CL prior to this i said thinkkkkkkkkkk |