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Title: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: tikay on March 10, 2011, 02:00:33 PM A Dutch poker player by the onscreen name “zeurrr” has just received some gut wrenching news after his $518,402 winnings at PokerStars was withheld because he is just 17 years old. According to PokerStars’ terms and conditions a player has to be at least 18 years old to play on the site, whereas “zeurrr” was only 17 when he lied about his age when applying for an account. Dutch poker player ‘zeurrr’ won the incredible $518,402 sum after qualifying for the special 5th Anniversary Sunday Million tournament via a $2 satellite. He also had to overcome a massive field of 59,128 players before finishing in 6th place and agreeing to a 9-way deal with the remaining players. However, after winning the life changing sum “zeurrr” must have suspected he would have to proceed cautiously for fear of being discovered and so apparently concocted a cover story with his father to protect the winnings. Therefore, when a Netherlands newspaper reporter working for ‘Algemeen Dagblad’ called up Jimmy Jonker’s home looking for an interview, he was told by the boy’s 47-year old father Jos Jonker that it was he who was in fact the 6th place finisher in PokerStars Sunday Million tournament. In addition, the father did not want to provide any details on his incredible win and so suspecting something was amiss, the reporter then did some extra digging. On checking out Jimmy Jonker’s Twitter account, he then discovered various information had been altered including the name of the account to Jos Jonker. Also all the tweets had mysteriously disappeared, with the eventual outcome leading to a freeze on zeurrr’s PokerStars account. Continuing the story, an extract from mpcpoker.com has confirmed the following news that: “Pokerstars Holland Representative Simon Keijzer tells Dutch TV show Jimmy Jonker is registered as a 19-year old, while he is 17 years old at the moment. Keijzer declares that an under-aged shouldn’t have played the tournament and he will not be entitled to the prize money.” Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: pleno1 on March 10, 2011, 02:02:26 PM Of the 56,000 how many do you think were under 18?
How many do you think were playing on an account where the cashier said a different name? Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: StuartHopkin on March 10, 2011, 02:06:09 PM Jimmy Jonkers!
Sigh, sure wouldnt be happy to punch the reporter in nose for him. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: MC on March 10, 2011, 02:08:11 PM How brutal for the kid!
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 02:09:02 PM How brutal for the kid! Brutal my arse, serves him right for being young. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: tikay on March 10, 2011, 02:19:46 PM I should have acknowleged where this article arose - it was here..... http://www.onlinepoker.net/poker-news/general-poker-news/pokerstars-confiscates-500k-winnings-underage-dutch-player/9845 Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: ACE2M on March 10, 2011, 03:29:33 PM thanks mr reporter. what a tw*t. Surely wait until the money is trasfered then theres a better story.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: doubleup on March 10, 2011, 04:00:03 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 04:01:13 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. They'll just redistribute it amongst the final 8 players, as per the standard payout structure based on finishing positions, pretty straightforward, its happened before in a few high profile sunday majors/WCOOPs Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: paulhouk03 on March 10, 2011, 04:07:16 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. They'll just redistribute it amongst the final 8 players, as per the standard payout structure based on finishing positions, pretty straightforward, its happened before in a few high profile sunday majors/WCOOPs can you tell me more pls? Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: pokerfan on March 10, 2011, 04:08:49 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. They'll just redistribute it amongst the final 8 players, as per the standard payout structure based on finishing positions, pretty straightforward, its happened before in a few high profile sunday majors/WCOOPs can you tell me more pls? Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 04:11:24 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. They'll just redistribute it amongst the final 8 players, as per the standard payout structure based on finishing positions, pretty straightforward, its happened before in a few high profile sunday majors/WCOOPs can you tell me more pls? Off the top of my head there was the WCOOP main event where Mark Teltchsers 'sister' got caught, cant remember whether a deal was done however. Cant remember any other specific ones but it has happened because Ive discussed this before on the subject of deals in stars events. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: doubleup on March 10, 2011, 04:16:43 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. They'll just redistribute it amongst the final 8 players, as per the standard payout structure based on finishing positions, pretty straightforward, its happened before in a few high profile sunday majors/WCOOPs Thats different the disqualification was based on suspect behaviour leading to an advantage in the tournament in question. Underage players play cash/sitngos, if they get caught, do stars redistribute funds to opponents? If they do ok, but I suspect they don't. So they have to be consistent in their policy. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 04:19:31 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. They'll just redistribute it amongst the final 8 players, as per the standard payout structure based on finishing positions, pretty straightforward, its happened before in a few high profile sunday majors/WCOOPs Thats different the disqualification was based on suspect behaviour leading to an advantage in the tournament in question. Underage players play cash/sitngos, if they get caught, do stars redistribute funds to opponents? If they do ok, but I suspect they don't. So they have to be consistent in their policy. Of course they do, stars always redistribute prize pools in the same way when someone is booted out, why do you think its different here? Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: doubleup on March 10, 2011, 04:31:55 PM Of course they do, stars always redistribute prize pools in the same way when someone is booted out, why do you think its different here? you don't seem to understand my point. There are presumably a significant amount of underage players on stars. Some playing cash, some playing many small tournaments/sitngoes. If stars find out someone is underage, do they review every tournament played, every cash hand, every sitngo and reimburse accordingly? Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 04:38:24 PM Of course they do, stars always redistribute prize pools in the same way when someone is booted out, why do you think its different here? you don't seem to understand my point. There are presumably a significant amount of underage players on stars. Some playing cash, some playing many small tournaments/sitngoes. If stars find out someone is underage, do they review every tournament played, every cash hand, every sitngo and reimburse accordingly? Ah right, I get you now. Very good question, no idea what the answer is there. I would say unless they have a way to automate such refunds, they probably wont apart from the higher stakes games. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: gatso on March 10, 2011, 04:51:45 PM yeah, good question. it's obvious what they're going to do with the 500k but what if he'd won loads before they noticed and now has a million in the a/c?
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 04:54:15 PM Any time you win a donky they check the account. If he had already won anything they would have already had to check the account.
Glad it got taken off him! Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: gatso on March 10, 2011, 04:57:49 PM Any time you win a donky they check the account. If he had already won anything they would have already had to check the account. Glad it got taken off him! check for what? he wouldn't have needed to do an id check unless withdrawing or transferring surely Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: The Camel on March 10, 2011, 05:02:52 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. Ummm I would have thought the fact there was a chop makes it easier to split the money up. 10/1 they keep the money. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: pleno1 on March 10, 2011, 05:07:38 PM Top 20 should have a 500k freeroll winner takes all. Or maybe another Lambo freeroll.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: George2Loose on March 10, 2011, 05:11:58 PM I know people will say its his own fault but its still fucking sick. 2$ satty. 59k player and 500k confiscated. I do feel for the lad. As someone as already said he is not the only one. Mike mcdonald, Annette, Andy Mcleod all crushing and had won a significant amt of money before getting caught- if they ever did. This kid looks like he had got a lifetime score by hook or by crook and stars is going to take it.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: pleno1 on March 10, 2011, 05:12:52 PM Yeah, so com that he was the one wanting 100k more though. Feel really sorry for him though I know T&C's wte.
paiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: mondatoo on March 10, 2011, 05:13:09 PM I know people will say its his own fault but its still fucking sick. 2$ satty. 59k player and 500k confiscated. I do feel for the lad. As someone as already said he is not the only one. Mike mcdonald, Annette, Andy Mcleod all crushing and had won a significant amt of money before getting caught- if they ever did. This kid looks like he had got a lifetime score by hook or by crook and stars is going to take it. This, pretty brutal. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 05:16:15 PM Sod that, kids gotta learn there are rules to abide to in this world, this is a great way of doing just that, my only beef is that the higher profile players you mention appear to have got away with it.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: AlunB on March 10, 2011, 05:17:25 PM I think it's brutal. That's like a gabillion dollars when you're 17. Also it's not like this has never happened before. Anyone remember Tom Dwan's dad qualifying for the PCA? I think it was the PCA anyway...
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: Dubai on March 10, 2011, 05:18:39 PM Tom Dwans dad had to go and play a live final i think i remember- think its was UB/Party/Paradise comp where final table was live lol
Technically Phil Ivey should be banned from every casino in USA for playing underage if they were to enforce rules Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 05:18:43 PM I know people will say its his own fault but its still fucking sick. 2$ satty. 59k player and 500k confiscated. I do feel for the lad. As someone as already said he is not the only one. Mike mcdonald, Annette, Andy Mcleod all crushing and had won a significant amt of money before getting caught- if they ever did. This kid looks like he had got a lifetime score by hook or by crook and stars is going to take it. so you dont want the games that you play regulated? couldn't give a fk about this kid, hope it hurts losing what he thought he'd won. The fact is i'd also like to see others severely punished; but that will never happen in this kind of industry especially with some of the companies that have power in it. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: AlunB on March 10, 2011, 05:27:22 PM couldn't give a fk about this kid, hope it hurts losing what he thought he'd won. The fact is i'd also like to see others severely punished; but that will never happen in this kind of industry especially with some of the companies that have power in it. I don't think he should get away with it. And he should have the money taken off him. But he's 17, he's not hurt anyone, he hasn't cheated (in terms of colluding or ghosting etc etc) and it has to be heartbreaking for him. You have to be a bit cold to not feel for him imho. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: AlunB on March 10, 2011, 05:32:35 PM Tom Dwans dad had to go and play a live final i think i remember- think its was UB/Party/Paradise comp where final table was live lol Technically Phil Ivey should be banned from every casino in USA for playing underage if they were to enforce rules Was it a Paradise event in the Bahamas? That seems to ring a bell. I think it was in the same place they have the PCA now. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: doubleup on March 10, 2011, 05:33:05 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. Ummm I would have thought the fact there was a chop makes it easier to split the money up. 10/1 they keep the money. I do wish you wouldn't rush so agressively to defend stars at any opportunity. I questioned what their normal procedure was - do you know? Offering odds about what they will do in this situation doesn't answer that question. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 05:34:12 PM couldn't give a fk about this kid, hope it hurts losing what he thought he'd won. The fact is i'd also like to see others severely punished; but that will never happen in this kind of industry especially with some of the companies that have power in it. I don't think he should get away with it. And he should have the money taken off him. But he's 17, he's not hurt anyone, he hasn't cheated (in terms of colluding or ghosting etc etc) and it has to be heartbreaking for him. You have to be a bit cold to not feel for him imho. As soon as I hit 30 I turned into a right miserable bastard and instantly hated anyone younger than me, I honestly dont feel sorry for him. He knew the rules, if he had any common sense at all he should have known Stars were incredibly hard to pull the wool over especially when he is bragging on a forum as himself. Also serves him right for being greedy during the chop negotiations. Im a right miserable bitter jealous old sod me Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: pleno1 on March 10, 2011, 05:34:50 PM I remember the paradise thing, it was really bad production and iirc he was absoutely terrible wearing some colourful shirt.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 05:40:18 PM couldn't give a fk about this kid, hope it hurts losing what he thought he'd won. The fact is i'd also like to see others severely punished; but that will never happen in this kind of industry especially with some of the companies that have power in it. I don't think he should get away with it. And he should have the money taken off him. But he's 17, he's not hurt anyone, he hasn't cheated (in terms of colluding or ghosting etc etc) and it has to be heartbreaking for him. You have to be a bit cold to not feel for him imho. w/e obviously you have a different understanding of cheating. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: AlunB on March 10, 2011, 05:44:49 PM No I don't and I went to great lengths to make sure my point wasn't getting confused. He has not excercised an unfair advantage over other people at the table. Is that better for you?
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: AlunB on March 10, 2011, 05:46:12 PM Apologies, that was a bit pissy in tone. I will climb down off my high horse.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: George2Loose on March 10, 2011, 05:47:35 PM Sod that, kids gotta learn there are rules to abide to in this world, this is a great way of doing just that, my only beef is that the higher profile players you mention appear to have got away with it. Bullshit- loads of people defy the rules all the time. The crime was getting caught. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: George2Loose on March 10, 2011, 05:50:10 PM I know people will say its his own fault but its still fucking sick. 2$ satty. 59k player and 500k confiscated. I do feel for the lad. As someone as already said he is not the only one. Mike mcdonald, Annette, Andy Mcleod all crushing and had won a significant amt of money before getting caught- if they ever did. This kid looks like he had got a lifetime score by hook or by crook and stars is going to take it. so you dont want the games that you play regulated? couldn't give a fk about this kid, hope it hurts losing what he thought he'd won. The fact is i'd also like to see others severely punished; but that will never happen in this kind of industry especially with some of the companies that have power in it. Nice dude. Kick a guy while he is down. I feel some sympathy for him and I make a distinction between playing underage and out and out ripping people off. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 06:04:10 PM Sod that, kids gotta learn there are rules to abide to in this world, this is a great way of doing just that, my only beef is that the higher profile players you mention appear to have got away with it. Bullshit- loads of people defy the rules all the time. The crime was getting caught. The crime was playing underage Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: George2Loose on March 10, 2011, 06:08:32 PM Sod that, kids gotta learn there are rules to abide to in this world, this is a great way of doing just that, my only beef is that the higher profile players you mention appear to have got away with it. Bullshit- loads of people defy the rules all the time. The crime was getting caught. The crime was playing underage I know Barry. Im not condoning it. However Im sure when we were 14-17 we all did things we not supposed to do- drink, smoke etc etc. He obv didnt expect to bink- probably pad his micro roll a bit and suddenly its all out of control and he is at the final. Rules are rules. I agree with the fact that stars have taken his money but I also feel sympathy for this guy. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: The Camel on March 10, 2011, 06:10:47 PM I remember when Nashwan won the Derby, he was follwed home by two 500/1 shots.
Someone had a £1 tricast at Ladbrokes. 5/4 x 500/1 x 500/1 should have paid tens of thousands. No tricasts in non handicaps, Laddies offered to pay a forecast as a goodwill gesture (about £800 if i remember correctly). He refused and went to the papers, who discovered he was only 17. Ladbrokes gave him his pound back. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: outragous76 on March 10, 2011, 06:11:05 PM jealousy IMO
let the kid keep his dimes Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 06:12:00 PM No I don't and I went to great lengths to make sure my point wasn't getting confused. He has not excercised an unfair advantage over other people at the table. Is that better for you? pissy and horses are all good! I don't mind at all. I just think it silly how we have to have rules and regulations when the prizes and outlay are getting so high and yet everyone thinks hes being hard done by for playing underage..... the rules apply to everyone (or at least they should, it's a shame that this industry has always been so shady that it can continue to have so much dodgyness and people see it as normal). Also Bedi I have no sympathy what so ever, people who run good and win tournies can gtfo! Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 06:12:58 PM Sod that, kids gotta learn there are rules to abide to in this world, this is a great way of doing just that, my only beef is that the higher profile players you mention appear to have got away with it. Bullshit- loads of people defy the rules all the time. The crime was getting caught. The crime was playing underage I know Barry. Im not condoning it. However Im sure when we were 14-17 we all did things we not supposed to do- drink, smoke etc etc. He obv didnt expect to bink- probably pad his micro roll a bit and suddenly its all out of control and he is at the final. Rules are rules. I agree with the fact that stars have taken his money but I also feel sympathy for this guy. Im actually just being argumentative today more than anything to be honest. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: GreekStein on March 10, 2011, 06:13:23 PM I'm with george on this.
Give peachymer a sponsorship despite being a multiaccounter, yet take half a mill off a kid who played underage. Harsh. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: George2Loose on March 10, 2011, 06:13:53 PM Sod that, kids gotta learn there are rules to abide to in this world, this is a great way of doing just that, my only beef is that the higher profile players you mention appear to have got away with it. Bullshit- loads of people defy the rules all the time. The crime was getting caught. The crime was playing underage I know Barry. Im not condoning it. However Im sure when we were 14-17 we all did things we not supposed to do- drink, smoke etc etc. He obv didnt expect to bink- probably pad his micro roll a bit and suddenly its all out of control and he is at the final. Rules are rules. I agree with the fact that stars have taken his money but I also feel sympathy for this guy. Im actually just being argumentative today more than anything to be honest. Oh no youre not.... Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 06:14:37 PM I'm with george on this. Give peachymer a sponsorship despite being a multiaccounter, yet take half a mill off a kid who played underage. Harsh. that's another topic, and one which fking stinks. but pretty much goes to show the industry and how it came about. Dodgyness is fine peeps. Multi account, ghost etc it's all good..... just dont get caught. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: GreekStein on March 10, 2011, 06:17:23 PM But she got caught.
I wouldn't mind what stars did as long as they were consistent but they arent Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: ripple11 on March 10, 2011, 06:18:17 PM Good at poker..........not good at getting his story watertight.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 06:37:01 PM But she got caught. I wouldn't mind what stars did as long as they were consistent but they arent caught at what? I thought the whole PMer thing wasn't quite out in the open but there was deffo a whole raft of dodgy shite going on. Considering what other poker sites have got up to and how they treat their customers, Stars is THE ONLY site that I have any respect for their decisions so I hope that they have made the right one over peachy. Are there any links/cliffs to concrete stuff rather than accusations? Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: pokerfan on March 10, 2011, 06:53:35 PM Ironically, zeurrr’s loss looks set to become the other players gains, who will now likely receive a share of his redistributed winnings. Don't see how they can do that. There are complications over the final table chop/ did he play any other games/ tournies etc. I'd like to know what stars standard procedure is for this situation. I'd guess that they just keep the money. Ummm I would have thought the fact there was a chop makes it easier to split the money up. 10/1 they keep the money. I do wish you wouldn't rush so agressively to defend stars at any opportunity. I questioned what their normal procedure was - do you know? Offering odds about what they will do in this situation doesn't answer that question. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: outragous76 on March 10, 2011, 07:16:56 PM ^^^^^^^^^
not that - they bump people up the pay ladder - which is hugely interesting for the guy in 10th Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: leethefish on March 10, 2011, 07:42:54 PM i do feel sorry for this kid we have all done things ...lets say against the rules,
some we get punished for some we don't .....this is half a million $$$$ at seventen years of age life changing sum of money i know rules is broken but harsh. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: doubleup on March 10, 2011, 07:45:09 PM ^^^^^^^^^ not that - they bump people up the pay ladder - which is hugely interesting for the guy in 10th They cant bump ppl up the pay ladder, there wasn't one, it was a chop. A chop that is now invalid if the kid didnt have the legal capacity to agree to it. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: pokerfan on March 10, 2011, 07:47:34 PM ^^^^^^^^^ not that - they bump people up the pay ladder - which is hugely interesting for the guy in 10th Was more directed at the dude asking about sng`s/ring games. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 07:55:54 PM i do feel sorry for this kid we have all done things ...lets say against the rules, some we get punished for some we don't .....this is half a million $$$$ at seventen years of age life changing sum of money i know rules is broken but harsh. noooo it's fking not HOW IS IT HARSH you have to follow x y z guidelines, age, location etc you do that you play you win it's fine you don't do that YOU CANNOT JUST WIN THE WORLD how are so many people seemingly un-bothered about playing against people who are cheating left right and centre?! Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: doubleup on March 10, 2011, 07:58:00 PM ^^^^^^^^^ not that - they bump people up the pay ladder - which is hugely interesting for the guy in 10th Was more directed at the dude asking about sng`s/ring games. what they do with collusion/multi-accounting etc is well known. I've never heard of anyone getting a refund because their opponent was underage (thats not to say that it hasn't happened). If they have previously been keeping the money seized from underage players, they should also keep this money (and then deal with the fallout from that decision). Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: George2Loose on March 10, 2011, 07:59:53 PM Titbeam if u were as good as Phil ivey at the age if 16 and could make a tidy living online would u do it it wait two years?
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: George2Loose on March 10, 2011, 08:00:33 PM Titbeam if u were as good as Phil ivey at the age if 16 and could make a tidy living online would u do it it wait two years?
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: pokerfan on March 10, 2011, 08:04:31 PM Titbeam if u were as good as Phil ivey at the age if 16 and could make a tidy living online would u do it it wait two years? Obv gonna play, but do it right. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: craigbetts on March 10, 2011, 08:08:30 PM IMO stars should hold a freeroll open to all those who played the tourney, I know this would not appeal to all, though essentially it is the players pool to play for.
On a side note, stars should sign the kid up for 6 - 12 months once he hits 18, I am sure this would create a fair bit of interest! Lessen the blow for the kid and stars come out shining as per. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 08:14:54 PM Titbeam if u were as good as Phil ivey at the age if 16 and could make a tidy living online would u do it it wait two years? If I was clever enough to be crushing this game then I would hope to be clever enough to play without being found out as being under aged. Doesn't mean that I would do it though. Glad there so many of you who would though. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: DaveShoelace on March 10, 2011, 08:52:46 PM Titbeam if u were as good as Phil ivey at the age if 16 and could make a tidy living online would u do it it wait two years? Obv gonna play, but do it right. This, and also, should a 16 year old thats well good at driving be allowed on the roads? Also, how would you feel if you lost a load of money to someone heads up say, then you found out it was an underage kid? Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: George2Loose on March 10, 2011, 08:53:51 PM Titbeam if u were as good as Phil ivey at the age if 16 and could make a tidy living online would u do it it wait two years? If I was clever enough to be crushing this game then I would hope to be clever enough to play without being found out as being under aged. Doesn't mean that I would do it though. Glad there so many of you who would though. So basically, at 16 u were the well rounded mature moralistic character u are today? Looking back I wouldn't do it with the benefit of hindsight and experience. However at 16 knowing I could get the cake I would probs snap call Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: Cf on March 10, 2011, 09:45:31 PM i do feel sorry for this kid we have all done things ...lets say against the rules, some we get punished for some we don't .....this is half a million $$$$ at seventen years of age life changing sum of money i know rules is broken but harsh. noooo it's fking not HOW IS IT HARSH you have to follow x y z guidelines, age, location etc you do that you play you win it's fine you don't do that YOU CANNOT JUST WIN THE WORLD how are so many people seemingly un-bothered about playing against people who are cheating left right and centre?! I don't really see how he's cheating. He shouldn't have been playing, but that's not neccesarily the same thing as cheating. eg, playing for a U18 sports team when you're actually 20 - yeah, cheating as it's presumably an unfair advantage. But I don't see what advantage a 17 yo has in a poker game. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: pokerfan on March 10, 2011, 09:57:33 PM Its not cheating imo, but obv against t+c`s so he has to forfeit the $. Pretty crushing for the lad but there you go.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 10:07:38 PM i do feel sorry for this kid we have all done things ...lets say against the rules, some we get punished for some we don't .....this is half a million $$$$ at seventen years of age life changing sum of money i know rules is broken but harsh. noooo it's fking not HOW IS IT HARSH you have to follow x y z guidelines, age, location etc you do that you play you win it's fine you don't do that YOU CANNOT JUST WIN THE WORLD how are so many people seemingly un-bothered about playing against people who are cheating left right and centre?! I don't really see how he's cheating. He shouldn't have been playing, but that's not neccesarily the same thing as cheating. eg, playing for a U18 sports team when you're actually 20 - yeah, cheating as it's presumably an unfair advantage. But I don't see what advantage a 17 yo has in a poker game. awe raswjefasldfjkas;kdlfja;sdf why are so many people being ridiculous TERMS AND CONDITIONS STATE AN AGE you are under age + you try and get around the fact that you should be paid because of your age yeah I can sure see why so many people think he should get paid out. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: thetank on March 10, 2011, 10:12:00 PM I think Stars should at least pay for his Bar Mitzah.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: Royal Flush on March 10, 2011, 10:47:41 PM Obv it's ridiculous he is gaining no edge.
Why did they not take Annettes money back? Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: Cf on March 10, 2011, 10:51:20 PM I'm not saying he should be paid. Merely that I wouldn't class what he did as "cheating". He shouldn't be paid - but for different reasons.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: SuuPRlim on March 10, 2011, 10:59:35 PM I just think how dev'd i'd be if i was the kid
Ivey and Annette have cool stories about how they played when they were underaged, no-one has said when they hear the "no-home jerome" stories of Ivey when he was skinning businessmen in Atlanta casinos at 19 "fucking hell, what a cheating little prick playing underage" everyone is like, "wow, what a sick degen go ivey" (myself included fwiw) and annette is pretty proud of the time she was playing ONLINE poker at 16 and won a 45man without seeing her hole cards, no one has said "well that's all well and good but how come you were playing when you were 16 you cheating slag?" I get tittybeams point cant argue with it, but the whole thing seems criminally injust and it makes me feel shit for the kid Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: thetank on March 10, 2011, 11:01:26 PM Why does it always rain on this guy?
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 10, 2011, 11:11:06 PM I just think how dev'd i'd be if i was the kid Ivey and Annette have cool stories about how they played when they were underaged, no-one has said when they hear the "no-home jerome" stories of Ivey when he was skinning businessmen in Atlanta casinos at 19 "fucking hell, what a cheating little prick playing underage" everyone is like, "wow, what a sick degen go ivey" (myself included fwiw) and annette is pretty proud of the time she was playing ONLINE poker at 16 and won a 45man without seeing her hole cards, no one has said "well that's all well and good but how come you were playing when you were 16 you cheating slag?" I get tittybeams point cant argue with it, but the whole thing seems criminally injust and it makes me feel shit for the kid Ahrt Daviiiiid! Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: RED-DOG on March 10, 2011, 11:13:34 PM John 8:7
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: outragous76 on March 10, 2011, 11:16:43 PM John 8:7 ooh ooh ooh i know this one "thou shalt not play teh interweb pokerz until thou is 18 calender years" Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: doubleup on March 10, 2011, 11:19:24 PM John 8:7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erthun0Pauc Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: Girgy85 on March 10, 2011, 11:20:43 PM I just think how dev'd i'd be if i was the kid Ivey and Annette have cool stories about how they played when they were underaged, no-one has said when they hear the "no-home jerome" stories of Ivey when he was skinning businessmen in Atlanta casinos at 19 "fucking hell, what a cheating little prick playing underage" everyone is like, "wow, what a sick degen go ivey" (myself included fwiw) and annette is pretty proud of the time she was playing ONLINE poker at 16 and won a 45man without seeing her hole cards, no one has said "well that's all well and good but how come you were playing when you were 16 you cheating slag?" I get tittybeams point cant argue with it, but the whole thing seems criminally injust and it makes me feel shit for the kid Ahrt Daviiiiid! Gotta love lildave!! Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: mondatoo on March 11, 2011, 12:33:48 AM How has he cheated ?
Titbeam, did you cheat the alcohol industry and drink when you where 17 ? Did you never have a sports bet when you where 17 and collect if you won ? WTF ? Yeah it's gg him and there's nothing he can do but it is brutal. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 11, 2011, 12:47:07 AM How has he cheated ? Titbeam, did you cheat the alcohol industry and drink when you where 17 ? Did you never have a sports bet when you where 17 and collect if you won ? WTF ? Yeah it's gg him and there's nothing he can do but it is brutal. sure won at the dogs when I was young lawl whatever the word used, he broke the t&c and pwned himself in the face in the process. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: mondatoo on March 11, 2011, 12:52:27 AM There isn't much Stars can do tbf to them, if they let it go then they might as well say there is no age restriction, so they have to take it off him. Didn't read the link of OP so no idea how he got caught but that's probably the fukd up bit, gg.
Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: titaniumbean on March 11, 2011, 12:56:26 AM There isn't much Stars can do tbf to them, if they let it go then they might as well say there is no age restriction, so they have to take it off him. Didn't read the link of OP so no idea how he got caught but that's probably the fukd up bit, gg. cliffs. kid sats in, kid plays, kid is 17, updates twitter with progress. finals.... Dutch newspaper ring to interview for a story, talk to the dad who says 'erm yeah I won dont know how the tournament went....' twitter wiped and personal information changed to the fathers name. reported to stars because newspapers had screenshots of it all before it changed. Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: the-oneeye on March 11, 2011, 01:23:00 AM I watched the final table and the kid did appear very arrogant before that tourney he had won a total of 447 being in 47 dollars profit. Asking for a 650k split when you have satted for 2 dollars and holding up the split for about 15 minutes. Fair play to the winner who had already bribed someone 5k to take the deal. Do stars go unpunished in this case for allowing an underage player to play on their site.
Why not hold the money till he is 18 like tilt did on one occassion. Are they gonna go through the whole game and refund everyone who he eliminated Title: Re: It's A Kidz game. Not. Post by: kinboshi on March 11, 2011, 01:24:15 AM Doesn't Stars have to enforce this rule in order to comply with regulations? I know they span a number of countries, but is there something in the regulations that let them operate that states that they can't allow people under the age of 18 play?
If they let this go would they be putting their business at risk at all? These are questions, as I don't know how it all works. As for the 17-year old, he was daft to allow himself to get caught really. I'm sure if he'd GIQ, then he might have got away with it? |