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Title: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: outragous76 on March 11, 2011, 05:58:53 PM [ ] it went well - and he fkn tank called
Full Tilt Poker Game #28929983411: Table Adrenaline - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:52:51 ET - 2011/03/11 Seat 1: lizzalizza ($100) Seat 2: Wekufe ($38.50) Seat 3: SWJonin ($100) Seat 4: Stojcevic ($78.10) Seat 5: ADASTRAPERASPE ($100.50) Seat 6: fully_irritated ($170.40) Seat 7: outragous76 ($116) Seat 8: PokerDiOssi ($108.50) Seat 9: lil_Gaz ($209.95) ADASTRAPERASPE posts the small blind of $0.50 fully_irritated posts the big blind of $1 The button is in seat #4 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to outragous76 [As Tc] outragous76 raises to $3 PokerDiOssi folds lil_Gaz folds lizzalizza folds Wekufe folds SWJonin has 15 seconds left to act SWJonin has requested TIME SWJonin folds Stojcevic folds ADASTRAPERASPE calls $2.50 fully_irritated folds *** FLOP *** [6h 7c 4c] ADASTRAPERASPE checks outragous76 bets $7 ADASTRAPERASPE calls $7 *** TURN *** [6h 7c 4c] [5d] ADASTRAPERASPE checks outragous76 checks *** RIVER *** [6h 7c 4c 5d] [8h] ADASTRAPERASPE bets $21 outragous76 has 15 seconds left to act outragous76 has requested TIME outragous76 raises to $106, and is all in ADASTRAPERASPE calls $69.50, and is all in Uncalled bet of $15.50 returned to outragous76 *** SHOW DOWN *** outragous76 shows [As Tc] a straight, Eight high ADASTRAPERASPE shows [Ah 9h] a straight, Nine high ADASTRAPERASPE wins the pot ($199) with a straight, Nine high *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $202 | Rake $3 Board: [6h 7c 4c 5d 8h] Seat 1: lizzalizza didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: Wekufe didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: SWJonin didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: Stojcevic (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: ADASTRAPERASPE (small blind) showed [Ah 9h] and won ($199) with a straight, Nine high Seat 6: fully_irritated (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 7: outragous76 showed [As Tc] and lost with a straight, Eight high Seat 8: PokerDiOssi didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: lil_Gaz didn't bet (folded) Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: George2Loose on March 11, 2011, 07:22:15 PM Thought this was going to say "won money"
Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: Waz1892 on March 11, 2011, 07:28:49 PM You're 1000 times better player than me without a doubt, but I have to ask to learn....
What is the thinking by re-raising his $21 bet, when if your think he's at it, the best you're going to do is split , and if your wrong and he does have the 3 or 9 then it's cost the max. If you just call, you're spiliting or losing the min? and on the same vein, if he calls your all in bet, best again you're getting is a split pot, as it'll be unlikely he's folding - and esp if he DOES have the 3 or 9, even less chance you do, so he's snapping you off? Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: pokerfan on March 11, 2011, 07:30:49 PM You're 1000 times better player than me without a doubt, but I have to ask to learn.... 3 doesn`t play WazWhat is the thinking by re-raising his $21 bet, when if your think he's at it, the best you're going to do is split , and if your wrong and he does have the 3 or 9 then it's cost the max. If you just call, you're spiliting or losing the min? and on the same vein, if he calls your all in bet, best again you're getting is a split pot, as it'll be unlikely he's folding - and esp if he DOES have the 3 or 9, even less chance you do, so he's snapping you off? Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: pokerfan on March 11, 2011, 07:34:13 PM You're 1000 times better player than me without a doubt, but I have to ask to learn.... 3 doesn`t play WazWhat is the thinking by re-raising his $21 bet, when if your think he's at it, the best you're going to do is split , and if your wrong and he does have the 3 or 9 then it's cost the max. If you just call, you're spiliting or losing the min? and on the same vein, if he calls your all in bet, best again you're getting is a split pot, as it'll be unlikely he's folding - and esp if he DOES have the 3 or 9, even less chance you do, so he's snapping you off? Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: Waz1892 on March 11, 2011, 07:37:05 PM You're 1000 times better player than me without a doubt, but I have to ask to learn.... 3 doesn`t play WazWhat is the thinking by re-raising his $21 bet, when if your think he's at it, the best you're going to do is split , and if your wrong and he does have the 3 or 9 then it's cost the max. If you just call, you're spiliting or losing the min? and on the same vein, if he calls your all in bet, best again you're getting is a split pot, as it'll be unlikely he's folding - and esp if he DOES have the 3 or 9, even less chance you do, so he's snapping you off? Good point. However still can't see this being a good move in the long run? and if I'm wrong, then need to understand why to improve and learn from better players who think that one step further etc. Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: outragous76 on March 11, 2011, 09:14:05 PM The theory is that he is having to call 70 to split the pot, and from the way the hand plays why would I put him on a 9 specifically?
Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: Waz1892 on March 11, 2011, 09:20:46 PM The theory is that he is having to call 70 to split the pot, and from the way the hand plays why would I put him on a 9 specifically? Thats what I don't get - you are unlikely to put him on the 9, so best your hoping for is a spilt pot, as he'll be thinking the same. But when your wrong it's costing you the max Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: pokerfan on March 11, 2011, 09:29:08 PM The theory is that he is having to call 70 to split the pot, and from the way the hand plays why would I put him on a 9 specifically? Thats what I don't get - you are unlikely to put him on the 9, so best your hoping for is a spilt pot, as he'll be thinking the same. But when your wrong it's costing you the max Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: Waz1892 on March 11, 2011, 09:52:04 PM The theory is that he is having to call 70 to split the pot, and from the way the hand plays why would I put him on a 9 specifically? Thats what I don't get - you are unlikely to put him on the 9, so best your hoping for is a spilt pot, as he'll be thinking the same. But when your wrong it's costing you the max might be getting confused, or i just don't get it (both highly likely!) he as in villian surely wont believe you have the 9 in the same way we don;t believe him - as outragous states why would i put him on the 9. so if that is the case, your only ever getting actually called by the hand that can beat you. your repping what he has. best result your splitting, worst your losing. the occasions when he believes you and fold, dont out weight the times he just calls and spilt or has the 9 himself. this is my first blonde hand analysis so forgive me if im overstepping here? Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: outragous76 on March 11, 2011, 10:20:23 PM In short if he doesn't have the 9 he has to call 70 to win the 30 he has put in, so the maths for him is terrible. He knows that is his absolute best outcome (without the 9)!
I have no reason to put him on a 9 here. There is no reason why I can't have a hand like 99. Although they rarely pass even if they pass 1 in 30 times it is profitable! However I run terrible and I am 0 for 1 in this spot! Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: outragous76 on March 11, 2011, 10:24:05 PM It is also funny when they fold!
Also jamming a board like 2222 x can be an interesting spot Or even watching people pass on 2222A boards too Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: Waz1892 on March 11, 2011, 10:28:51 PM It is also funny when they fold! Also jamming a board like 2222 x can be an interesting spot Or even watching people pass on 2222A boards too True i guess! wud luv to see that pass on that 2222a board! Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: Waz1892 on March 11, 2011, 10:29:25 PM hope you didnt mind me commenting on the hand
Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: pokerfan on March 11, 2011, 10:38:44 PM Have tons of similar weird spots from tourney hh`s, once saw a dude fold on 10JQKA 3 way rainbow with a third of his stack in. (could be misclick obv)
Also seen a fold on AAAAK when a guy typed in you got AK? ($10 mtts ldo, thats how i roll) Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: Waz1892 on March 11, 2011, 10:46:44 PM hope for us alll then!
Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: redarmi on March 11, 2011, 11:18:50 PM I think you played it fine. Not sure how he ever shows up with a nine here although to be fair if he is a thinking player you don't that often either. I do this a great deal on four to flush boards and you really do get them to fold often enough to make these kind of plays profitable especially at these levels.
Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: pokerfan on March 12, 2011, 01:26:11 AM I think you played it fine. Not sure how he ever shows up with a nine here although to be fair if he is a thinking player you don't that often either. I do this a great deal on four to flush boards and you really do get them to fold often enough to make these kind of plays profitable especially at these levels. Levelling wars innit,Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: DMorgan on March 12, 2011, 07:23:12 AM fold pre but the rest looks good imo
Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: SuuPRlim on March 12, 2011, 12:09:00 PM pretty sure you can show a profit doing this.
Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: outragous76 on March 15, 2011, 04:36:11 PM waz1892 - here is a very nice working example (and he tickled the pot - didnt even jam)
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqTjYnkIHIA Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: SuuPRlim on March 15, 2011, 04:57:58 PM i had a cool similar hand in a cash game the other day where its a single raised pot 5 way 44664 checked to the river somone bet £25 into £130, i made £275 and they all folded, wiiiiiiiii
Title: Re: first time ive ever done this in a cash game Post by: Waz1892 on March 15, 2011, 06:31:58 PM I understand the reasoning now Outragous76. As other have said too, i guess over a long run you'd be in a EV+ situ.
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