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Title: River spot with one card straight
Post by: cambridgealex on March 12, 2011, 12:54:00 AM
Live 1/2 cash in Broadway Casino, Birmingham. Villian 1 is a fish, rebought several times, borrowing money off one of the other players to do so each time. He has gone broke check/calling with one pair hands. He is playing about £160. Villian 2 is a new player, young, and we suspect him to have bluff shoved the river in the previous hand. He is playing £400. Hero covers.

Preflop
One limper UTG, we raise to £10 Ahrt 3h from MP. Folds to villain 1 in the SB who calls, villain 2 in the BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop Pot =£40

 Kh 6c 4s 3 checks, Hero checks

Turn

 7h V1 checks, V2 bets £25, UTG folds, Hero calls, V1 raises to £50, V2 calls, Hero calls

River Pot = £190

 5c V1 with £96 back, thinks for a while, and shoves, V2 tanks, looks a bit frustrated with the situation but doesn't think for too long before announcing a call. Hero?

V1 looks pretty unhappy with the river card, and seemed to shove because he only had £96 left and felt he had to. We believe he has a set or strong two pair combination.


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: Rupert on March 12, 2011, 01:03:24 AM
weak means strong? or is he an idiot


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: cambridgealex on March 12, 2011, 01:08:33 AM
weak means strong? or is he an idiot

V1 is, V2 not.


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: redarmi on March 12, 2011, 01:29:08 AM
I just fold but think I probably play the turn a bit more aggressively because I want to add some fold equity into the equation especially if you are going to consider folding when the straight hits.


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: pokerfan on March 12, 2011, 01:33:04 AM
fold pre, bf flop , rt, jr.


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: TheFallen on March 12, 2011, 01:34:19 AM
i dont see how we can fold getting this price and it being so much harder for V2 to have may combos of 8x. He might play lots of 2pair combinations in the same way.

raising the river looks spwey to me. as does raising the turn.


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: cambridgealex on March 12, 2011, 01:35:38 AM
fold pre, bf flop , rt, jr.

jam river? never getting called by worse/folding out better surely.


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: Whollyflush on March 12, 2011, 01:57:34 AM
fold pre, bf flop , rt, jr.

i think i'd do the opposite every street. As played seems like a fold.


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: cambridgealex on March 12, 2011, 02:18:37 AM
fold pre, bf flop , rt, jr.

i think i'd do the opposite every street. As played seems like a fold.

yeh rele dont like that line. what are we repping when we raise the turn having checked back the flop last to act in a 4way pot? 77 or maybe 76? Seems way too thin given the bettor is a thinking player.

if we are folding, given our read of V1, we have to put V2 on some sort of 8x combo. How many of these are there that played the turn like this?


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: Rupert on March 12, 2011, 02:26:43 AM
the only reason i want to fold is because you posted it


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: cambridgealex on March 12, 2011, 02:44:47 AM
the only reason i want to fold is because you posted it

lol this isn't one of those posts fwiw. i am not even the hero in this case...


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 12, 2011, 05:01:53 AM
V1 looks pretty unhappy with the river card, and seemed to shove because he only had £96 left and felt he had to. We believe he has a set or strong two pair combination.

Poker Hand Rankings

1. Straight Flush
2. Four of a kind
3. Full House
4. Flush
5. Straight
6. Three of a Kind
7. Two Pairs
8. Pair
9.High Card

If we believe him to have a 6 or a 7 hand, then we should call with a 5 hand imo.


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: DMorgan on March 12, 2011, 07:19:40 AM
Really not a fan of trying to iso an UTG limper with A3s from MP with the world to act behind. Perfect situation to limp behind and try and get a multi-way pot with a great hand for that scenario.

I call because the vast majority of live players aren't savvy enough to give off reverse tells


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: cambridgealex on March 12, 2011, 01:27:26 PM
Really not a fan of trying to iso an UTG limper with A3s from MP with the world to act behind. Perfect situation to limp behind and try and get a multi-way pot with a great hand for that scenario.

I call because the vast majority of live players aren't savvy enough to give off reverse tells

What if I am villain 2 and Hero is an unknown reg?


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: cambridgealex on March 12, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
V1 looks pretty unhappy with the river card, and seemed to shove because he only had £96 left and felt he had to. We believe he has a set or strong two pair combination.

Poker Hand Rankings

1. Straight Flush
2. Four of a kind
3. Full House
4. Flush
5. Straight
6. Three of a Kind
7. Two Pairs
8. Pair
9.High Card

If we believe him to have a 6 or a 7 hand, then we should call with a 5 hand imo.


trying to be clever as usual dave. have u read OP?! what about villain twoooooooooooo?


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: DMorgan on March 12, 2011, 05:54:51 PM
Really not a fan of trying to iso an UTG limper with A3s from MP with the world to act behind. Perfect situation to limp behind and try and get a multi-way pot with a great hand for that scenario.

I call because the vast majority of live players aren't savvy enough to give off reverse tells

What if I am villain 2 and Hero is an unknown reg?

You mean if you had Ah3h in villain 2's spot? Snapping villain 1s river jam and probs puking everywhere if hero jams. Probs fold though cos I would be flatting 8x too


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: JK on March 12, 2011, 09:37:41 PM
He means if Hero is an unknown reg and this is his view of the hand. Alex is Villian 2 with that hand/line


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 12, 2011, 09:56:59 PM
oh its 3way.
ummmmmmm


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: cambridgealex on March 12, 2011, 11:16:22 PM
yeh I was villain 2 and had an 8 and was kinda tilted that the guy with A3 folded. Think I needed more of a hollywood to seal the deal but was also worried that the guy allin might think i was slow rolling him.


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: DMorgan on March 13, 2011, 01:55:40 AM
Yeah this is defintiely a spot to give it the hollywood. Not much you can do about the guy folding a 3, I think you played it the best way possible to get a 3 to call.

You want to be putting plenty of pressure on this guy though if he wants to make hero folds


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: stato_1 on March 13, 2011, 04:50:23 AM
the only reason i want to fold is because you posted it

lol this isn't one of those posts fwiw. i am not even the hero in this case...

are you villain 1?


Title: Re: River spot with one card straight
Post by: cambridgealex on March 13, 2011, 02:08:43 PM
the only reason i want to fold is because you posted it

lol this isn't one of those posts fwiw. i am not even the hero in this case...

are you villain 1?

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