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Title: can i fold? Post by: paulhouk03 on March 12, 2011, 06:02:06 PM ***** Hand History for Game 28959418133 ***** (Full Tilt)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 12, 05:43:15 ET 2011 Table 16500 Guarantee (224997335) Table 41 (Real Money) Seat 9 is the button Seat 1: notorious p ( $36767.00 USD ) Seat 2: soulstrangler ( $6557.00 USD ) Seat 3: leozzy ( $30571.00 USD ) Seat 5: DEADyshka2 ( $36161.00 USD ) Seat 6: fadsy ( $20426.00 USD ) Seat 7: Sveden House ( $8247.00 USD ) Seat 8: SucksBRG ( $8089.00 USD ) Seat 9: Komsa1706 ( $13550.00 USD ) notorious p posts ante of [$75.00 USD]. soulstrangler posts ante of [$75.00 USD]. leozzy posts ante of [$75.00 USD]. DEADyshka2 posts ante of [$75.00 USD]. fadsy posts ante of [$75.00 USD]. Sveden House posts ante of [$75.00 USD]. SucksBRG posts ante of [$75.00 USD]. Komsa1706 posts ante of [$75.00 USD]. notorious p posts small blind [$300.00 USD]. soulstrangler posts big blind [$600.00 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to notorious p [ Kd As ] leozzy raises [$2700.00 USD] DEADyshka2 folds fadsy calls [$2700.00 USD] Sveden House folds SucksBRG folds Komsa1706 folds notorious p calls [$2400.00 USD] soulstrangler folds ** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Ad, Jd ] notorious p checks leozzy bets [$27796.00 USD] fadsy calls [$17651.00 USD] notorious p ??? no reads on player can i fold insta jam utg and insta call fadsy still got a good stack if i just fold i am deepish in the tourney am i just being a prick again? Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: redarmi on March 12, 2011, 06:19:52 PM Urgh. I think it is difficult to find a fold here as you have so much equity against the two pair hands and other aces and enough equity versus the flushes and sets. You are also in fantastic shape against hands like AxQd or even Qd with random blanks . My biggest worry would be that there are likely to be plenty of blockers out there. I am not sufficiently well versed in ICM to know whether that might be a factor in folding here.....I suppose the biggest factor really is whether you are deep enough, with a sufficient structure and have a big enough edge to find better spots. There aren't many better spots than this though normally. Get it in.
Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: paulhouk03 on March 12, 2011, 06:23:15 PM i just dont think i am ever ahead
but i do have a nut flush draw thats all Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: Girgy85 on March 12, 2011, 06:30:27 PM Re raise pre?
Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: paulhouk03 on March 12, 2011, 06:32:26 PM dont want to play for a huge pot deep oop
what would u do if it comes 9 high? just cbet fold or cf Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: redarmi on March 12, 2011, 06:35:19 PM Re raise pre? Yepo definitely this. Don't forget against two pair hands you still have other outs but if you are sure that you are up againstflush you can fold because you don't have enough outs. Really I would probably only count,say, seven outs anyway as yolu are very likely to be up against some blockers. Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: DMorgan on March 12, 2011, 06:40:12 PM Don't think so. I'm gunna assume that they're both terrible since the bet sizing in this hand is lol from start to finish
I think leozzy has a hand like QQ w/Qd. I think the only better made hand that he shows up with is AJ which we have 12 outs against anyway. The guy that overcalls can very easily have Ax with worse diamonds or maybe no diamonds. Really can't see me folding this Looking at the maths there is 54747 in the pot and its 27796 to call so we're getting 1.96 to 1 so we need ~33.5% Against AJ and AxQd you're 42% Against a set and a worse Ax you're 29% Against Ax and a flush you're 28% There are just too many combos of Ax that fish aren't folding with or without diamonds for us to be able to fold imo Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: DMorgan on March 12, 2011, 06:41:37 PM Re raise pre? and this obv. 9k and cawling a jam, bet/call any flop Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: redarmi on March 12, 2011, 06:44:36 PM dont want to play for a huge pot deep oop what would u do if it comes 9 high? just cbet fold or cf Never 3betting pre and not C-betting. Not sure I understand you not wanting to play a big pot. It is in your interests to make the pot big enough to be comfortable stacking off when you hit the flop. When the pot remains small then this happens and you are left with tough decisions. If you 3bet pre to ,say, 8k and get one caller then there is 20k or so in the pot so when they then shove on this flop they are stacking off with a wider range and your call is easy. Not sure I have explained this well. Do you get what I mean??? Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: paulhouk03 on March 12, 2011, 06:59:52 PM dont want to play for a huge pot deep oop what would u do if it comes 9 high? just cbet fold or cf Never 3betting pre and not C-betting. Not sure I understand you not wanting to play a big pot. It is in your interests to make the pot big enough to be comfortable stacking off when you hit the flop. When the pot remains small then this happens and you are left with tough decisions. If you 3bet pre to ,say, 8k and get one caller then there is 20k or so in the pot so when they then shove on this flop they are stacking off with a wider range and your call is easy. Not sure I have explained this well. Do you get what I mean??? yeah i understand u wanna make a pot big enough when u hit but would stack off post flop when u missed? Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: Girgy85 on March 12, 2011, 07:11:09 PM Also never folding on that flop!!
Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: redarmi on March 12, 2011, 07:16:50 PM dont want to play for a huge pot deep oop what would u do if it comes 9 high? just cbet fold or cf Never 3betting pre and not C-betting. Not sure I understand you not wanting to play a big pot. It is in your interests to make the pot big enough to be comfortable stacking off when you hit the flop. When the pot remains small then this happens and you are left with tough decisions. If you 3bet pre to ,say, 8k and get one caller then there is 20k or so in the pot so when they then shove on this flop they are stacking off with a wider range and your call is easy. Not sure I have explained this well. Do you get what I mean??? yeah i understand u wanna make a pot big enough when u hit but would stack off post flop when u missed? Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: cambridgealex on March 12, 2011, 11:33:29 PM yeh +1 to all those saying 3b/call or 3b/ bet/call most/all flops.
About your flop decision, I had to recheck all the details to make sure I was missing anything crucial like it was a WSOP satellite bubble or something. [X] AK [X] Top pair, Toppest Kicker [X] Nut flush draw [X] A whole bunch of chips in the middle and two choices [ ] Ever Folding Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: paulhouk03 on March 12, 2011, 11:54:36 PM ok ok ok
lols i was steaming then cos i obv lost and it was the only tourney i was deep in and was stuck for the day utg had ak and the other guy had jj Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: cambridgealex on March 13, 2011, 12:02:22 AM ok ok ok lols i was steaming then cos i obv lost and it was the only tourney i was deep in and was stuck for the day utg had ak and the other guy had jj get there next time Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: Girgy85 on March 13, 2011, 01:05:48 AM If we 3 bet pre and utg jams his AK does he get JJ to fold?
We call utg's jam tho after JJ folds!! Title: Re: can i fold? Post by: ChipRich on March 15, 2011, 06:37:14 AM 3 bet pre imo, then no need to ever think about folding the flop.
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