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Title: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: cambridgealex on March 16, 2011, 04:59:42 AM
In a nutshell:

 Ad 4d 13 bbs, utg 8handed. In the money of a 24$ standard FT comp. 162 paid, 33ish left at this point. Table is new, quite aggresive so far. Except for one openshove, have folded for a couple of orbits now. Picking up 12k if it gets through = 20% of stack.

Full Tilt Poker Game #29064969343: $35,000 Guarantee (225787490), Table 119 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:44:04 ET - 2011/03/16
Seat 1: backdoorfish21 (64,021)
Seat 2: havenrl (153,847)
Seat 3: Mullanboy (22,920)
Seat 4: Gagg12 (195,372)
Seat 6: TwoSevenS (88,424)
Seat 7: Chauvinator (149,750)
Seat 8: DAAnielof (164,782)
Seat 9: AllybabyMN (117,762)
backdoorfish21 antes 600
havenrl antes 600
Mullanboy antes 600
Gagg12 antes 600
TwoSevenS antes 600
Chauvinator antes 600
DAAnielof antes 600
AllybabyMN antes 600
DAAnielof posts the small blind of 2,500
AllybabyMN posts the big blind of 5,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to backdoorfish21 [4d Ad]
backdoorfish21 has 15 seconds left to act
backdoorfish21?


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: Rupert on March 16, 2011, 05:14:36 AM
fold...


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: cambridgealex on March 16, 2011, 05:18:02 AM
fold...

close?


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: Rupert on March 16, 2011, 05:26:33 AM
not sure, not an expert, would prob shove a9s ato 44+ kq maybe some others depending on my mood


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: DMorgan on March 16, 2011, 05:54:06 AM
fold not very close, you're pretty fucked whenever you get called


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: buzzharvey22 on March 16, 2011, 08:20:46 AM
fold not very close, you're pretty fucked whenever you get called

this, not close

<10bb probably yes


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: pleno1 on March 16, 2011, 09:18:10 AM
A10+, 77+, jqs+


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: the sicilian on March 16, 2011, 09:20:55 AM
easy fold


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: pokerfan on March 16, 2011, 10:25:13 AM
Same situ 8 bigs ?


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: BulldozerD on March 16, 2011, 11:40:22 AM
Fold fold fold


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: millidonk on March 16, 2011, 11:42:58 AM
+1 to all the folds.


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: MC on March 16, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
It's fine to do both here imo

Edit: I did originally say shove but it is rather marginal


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 16, 2011, 02:07:51 PM
A10+, 77+, jqs+

looks good, altho maybe a lil wider in this comp


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: cambridgealex on March 16, 2011, 02:27:30 PM
It's fine to do both here imo

Edit: I did originally say shove but it is rather marginal
;sark;

yay


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: Longy on March 16, 2011, 03:23:51 PM
Just a fold imo, give me a bb less I would shove.



Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: cambridgealex on March 16, 2011, 03:26:14 PM
A10+, 77+, jqs+

looks good, altho maybe a lil wider in this comp

maybe A4ss+, AT+, 77+, JQs ?


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 16, 2011, 03:38:57 PM
A10+, 77+, jqs+

looks good, altho maybe a lil wider in this comp

maybe A4ss+, AT+, 77+, JQs ?

lol not that wide, I would fold this hand for sure


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: cambridgealex on March 16, 2011, 03:41:36 PM
A10+, 77+, jqs+

looks good, altho maybe a lil wider in this comp

maybe A4ss+, AT+, 77+, JQs ?

lol not that wide, I would fold this hand for sure

It's 8 handed! I think everyone is underestimating this point. Not 9 handed. 8. Maybe they missed that detail in OP.

8 handed people.


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: paulhouk03 on March 16, 2011, 04:51:37 PM
i dont mind a shove but prefer a fold

pretty sure u can find a better spot than this you do have 13 bigs


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: Longy on March 16, 2011, 04:53:05 PM
8,9,10 makes little difference regarding ranges.

You are over estimating Axs in those ranges and underestimating small pairs.

A8s = A10 = 55 =KQs roughly.



Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: cambridgealex on March 16, 2011, 05:18:28 PM
yup ithink we've all agreed that I should fold in this spot.

[ ] Glad I did the right thing


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: George2Loose on March 16, 2011, 06:40:05 PM
If they were parsley its a jam


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: cambridgealex on March 16, 2011, 06:42:19 PM
If they were parsley its a jam

so i've heard...


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: JK on March 16, 2011, 07:58:02 PM
[ ] Close
[ ] Your a spew
  • Dont know how you didnt get there anyway


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: cambridgealex on March 16, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
[ ] Your a spew

O RLY?



Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: strak33 on March 17, 2011, 10:38:44 AM
A10+, 77+, jqs+

looks good, altho maybe a lil wider in this comp

+1 Touch wider depending on mood.


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: MC on March 17, 2011, 10:45:48 AM

[ ] Close

It is definitely close

We have 7 adjusted big blinds for crying out loud


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: Skippy on March 18, 2011, 11:02:11 AM
You've got a M of 5.2. Kill Everyone would have you shoving 55+, AJo+, A9s+, KQo, K9s, QTs, JTs, T9s, if the tournament was winner-takes-all. I'd suggest a little tighter. since most stacks cover you at this table. A4 blue is not a shove.


Title: Re: 13BBs UTG Shove or Fold?
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on March 18, 2011, 05:16:22 PM
Fold and wait for Aces