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10,000 starting chips


The blinds are 200-400. You have 15,000 chips. Comfortable. There are 30 runners left

UTG limps, button limps, SB completes. You are in the BB

You hold  Ac Jh

Probably mistakenly you check, but the UTG limp puts you off a bit as he is an aggressive player who raises a wide range of hands but here has limped. This puzzles you a bit

The flop

 Jc Tc 9c

Boy oh boy. What a flop.

SB checks. you are out of position

there is 1600 in the pot

you have just under 15k
UTG 12k
Button 8k
SB 9k

What to do please, out of position to an aggressive player?

I'll take you through the hand, from last night, as we get some responses 

Bet 1k

if it was at Luton I'd get my coat.....if I had the royal straight flush I'd get me coat - someone would persuade everyone it was a mis deal.....

that is exactly what I did.


UTG flat calls after a dwell

Button raises to 4k, leaving himself 4k behind. SB passes


What now?

 ;reallyamsorry; all together now.

 :D

I wouldn't mind Tracey but http://www.cheeseypoker.co.uk/casino/CasinoResult.aspx?cgid=4066&cid=1

Someone tell her she's a good player. Or else a lucky fish. She won't listen to me. 

That is bizarre - I had genuinely already forgotten about that. But I could have played a better heads up game than that but I just didnt have enough chips against him....never mind - next time - thank you TE.

When I'm puzzled, this would make me even more inclined to raise here to find out what the hey is going on.

Against good opposition the check raise all-in here sounds good to me. I don't see a set being out there, with all that limping going on pre-flop. The only hand I really don't want to see if I'm called is the made flush where you're around 30%. Against a made straight you're about 40% and an even smaller 45% dog against two pair. On the most part you're rooting for a fold, you'll only get called when you're beat. As you're never too badly beat though, I still think this is the right value play.

I would probably just call - but i think a raise would be the better play.

All depends on what I feel the button is up to. I'd need more info on him to make a desicion. I might pass here, but if i did decide to stick it all-in I would flat call then bet out the last 4k on the turn. More likely to get a pass that way.

Button is an experienced grey haired player with a good track record

You can call the raise

You can re-raise

You can fold

What is UTG up to? How does this complicate your decision?

Is the Button, with only 4k back, committed to the hand?...if you flat call, the rest of his chips are coming in on the turn aren't they? so if you miss on the turn...

Questions questions...

and the answer is?

patience young skywalker.

Love

Yoda

Are you confusing me with Heid?

Damn.

Easily done.

Not really - Ive never seen a star wars film in my life.

Anyway - whats the answer? I've go to do other things.........like breathe.

get a DVD player, and an oxygen tank if you're struggling.

I feel that flaming/arguing should be done via PM.

I also feel that outrageous flirting should be done via PM as well. ;D ;D ;D

I decided to move all in. My thought process was

 a) I can't pass

b) but if i call I am going to have to put 4k in on the turn whichever way it worked out

c) so let's  see both remaining cards

d) and pray like mad that the UTG isn't on the made flush.

What happened?

UTG passed KQ off, the made straight. So my all in bet did one thing right

Button called turned over J10 off for top two pair, he was scared of the club draw too. He hoped, when we discussed it afterwards, that one of us didn't have the  Ac so we would pass to his raise

The turn came a club. Excellent.

The river is immaterial really, but came a 10 to house him up.

I still had chips and plenty of play

I think though I made one key mistake...not raising pre flop.

The play after the raise on the flop though was what interested me


  

Do you agree with UTG folding the made top straight on the flop?

After I raise all in he is covered, so against a raise and a re-raise he must think he's up against the nut draw minimum or a made flush

So then I think it's the right pass

After my 1k probe bet on the flop though I think I raise withn the made straight and find out wtf is going on

All ways up, two of the three of us are doing chips in that situation

I just remembered that there were 3 club's on the flop not 2 >:?

you thought I was pushing all in with top pair and a backdoor flush draw?

jeez, you must think i'm crap  :D

I think UTG would have passed had you flat called too.

Doesn't make any difference now but it would been hard for J10 to call his last 4k off with two pair and 4 clubs on the board. :D :D :D

true sir, very true

live and learn. to be frank i was very surprised when he turned over two pair, i sort of expected a club or two

At which point did you think me telling TE to give us an answer about his quiz was flirting???  I was being sarcastic when saying I was holding my breath........ ;tk;

You boys - so many misunderstandings - so many rumours - so many wars...... 8)

Anyway - i apologize - TE told me this bad beat story yesterday and I patently wasnt listening as I still didnt remember that he lost!!

 :blonde:

Everytime you answer a post by TE and visa versa sparks fly... ;D ;D ;D

I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

 Happy New Year

:-* :-* :-*

I know - its too easy!!   8)

Mon now Nemesis, let's pretend we're not 12 for a while.

On second thoughts let's all have a sing song.



Tightend and Dingdell sitting in a tree........

First comes the flop...

Then...

pre-marital relations.

Isn't Tightend too old for that... ;scarymoment;

Oi - my tattooed lips are not healed yet - dont make me laugh  - it hurts! 

very funny boys!  :blonde:

Tighty can you post these at a resonable time of day in the future please! I want to join in

what were your thoughts anyway James?

I think I played it badly pre and post flop, regardless of the result

and it is avowedly not a bad beat story. I hit my card, end of story

Or was it the sing-song you wanted to join in with?

I dont raise pre flop, i check aswell. if i raise pre flop it has to be a decent raise and then i am stuffed by a re-raise.

On the flop i check, i want someone to take a stab at it, if i bet out and get raised i have a big headache.

are you checking to check call or check raise?

assume here UTG bets his made straight fearing flush draws

button raises his two pair

what are you doing then?


thanks Jd

Well thats exactly it by checking we get more info.

If UTG bets and then button raises you are in a tough spot, you can pass and get away from a big pot, or you can re-raise all in, if that had happened you are HU with JT which ok is ot great but it isnt bad either.

If you check and there is only 1 bet then you can be pretty certain you are in good shape and can then play accordingly. (i would like a check call here, there are not many cards that will scare me, and i dont want to scare of a hand like KJ)