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Title: Live bubble spot
Post by: amcgrath1uk on March 26, 2011, 11:24:26 AM
A little debate about this last night so wanted some thoughts and feedback

We're on the money bubble, blinds have just gone to 4k/8k/500, and I'm on the big blind.

Chip leader is in early position, has raised 4 hands running to 21.5k and does again. Next player raises to 41k. I'm playing 60k, look down to see  Aspades Qs. Choice?


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: Shogun112 on March 26, 2011, 11:33:05 AM
A little debate about this last night so wanted some thoughts and feedback

We're on the money bubble, blinds have just gone to 4k/8k/500, and I'm on the big blind.

Chip leader is in early position, has raised 4 hands running to 21.5k and does again. Next player raises to 41k. I'm playing 60k, look down to see  Aspades Qs. Choice?

Get rid - let somone else be the mug .. :)


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: MC on March 26, 2011, 11:45:31 AM
Pretty close, I guess sigh fold.

I dunno though. We have like 0 big blinds and AQs.

How many chips does the 3-bettor have?


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: amcgrath1uk on March 26, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
Pretty close, I guess sigh fold.

I dunno though. We have like 0 big blinds and AQs.

How many chips does the 3-bettor have?

Both of them had me covered.

I never usually take much time to make a decision but this one I did.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: BulldozerD on March 26, 2011, 01:29:40 PM
Muck it and sigh


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: outragous76 on March 26, 2011, 01:34:20 PM
sigh fold


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: Skippy on March 26, 2011, 01:52:51 PM
This really, really depends on how many chips everyone has got, and the payout structure of the comp. If 40k-man has only got you covered a little, I'd lean towards jamming.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: outragous76 on March 26, 2011, 02:00:04 PM
This really, really depends on how many chips everyone has got, and the payout structure of the comp. If 40k-man has only got you covered a little, I'd lean towards jamming.

you think he is folding?


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: amcgrath1uk on March 26, 2011, 02:07:26 PM
Cl had about 120k from memory, raiser had about 90k.

Wasn't worried about the CL, the re-raiser was the one to think about.

The thoughts going through my mind were obviously,  has the guy reraised to just steal or does he actually have a hand?

He was relatively new to the table so didn't have any particular reads.

This really, really depends on how many chips everyone has got, and the payout structure of the comp. If 40k-man has only got you covered a little, I'd lean towards jamming.

£30 for 13th, £640 for 1st.

I was never worried about laddering or bubbling or anything like that. Just thought this was a really good thinking spot.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: paulhouk03 on March 26, 2011, 02:28:34 PM
is this at G manchester?

iirc it turns into a crap shoot

so there will be lots of dead money about after bubble burst
ppl play the bubble pretty tight and not willing to do moves
unless they are young

the older ppl who play there will do anything to cash including open folding at pp etc etc etc



Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: redarmi on March 26, 2011, 02:32:23 PM
I think shove or fold is fine tbh.  You probably don't have much (any?) fold equity but this is a low stakes tourney so you never know.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: outragous76 on March 26, 2011, 02:34:50 PM
I think shove or fold is fine tbh.  You probably don't have much (any?) have absolutely no fold equity not even to someone who has no concept of poker, maths or their own name, infact they will just look at the chips and say "go on then"

fyp


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: amcgrath1uk on March 26, 2011, 02:40:56 PM
is this at G manchester?

iirc it turns into a crap shoot

so there will be lots of dead money about after bubble burst
ppl play the bubble pretty tight and not willing to do moves
unless they are young

the older ppl who play there will do anything to cash including open folding at pp etc etc etc



It does you're right, know it well ;)

I ended up chopping 4 way and played the final table well by putting the pressure on all the stacks, and as you say, they like to ladder rather than play to win in there.

I think shove or fold is fine tbh.  You probably don't have much (any?) have absolutely no fold equity not even to someone who has no concept of poker, maths or their own name, infact they will just look at the chips and say "go on then"

fyp

Would never have expected any fold to my shove, so the decision would be whether it was a good time to shove or not.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: Skippy on March 26, 2011, 03:03:03 PM
This really, really depends on how many chips everyone has got, and the payout structure of the comp. If 40k-man has only got you covered a little, I'd lean towards jamming.

you think he is folding?

I think he should be calling tight (swerving 22-88 perhaps, whereas without the bubble he'll call with some of those). Whether he will or not, I don't know, I've never met the geezer.

Oh and BTW, from MC's recent blog post I'd probably be getting a purple- I've definitely taken a few flips when I'd be better off just keeping my powder dry and laddering.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: Skippy on March 26, 2011, 03:33:45 PM
This really, really depends on how many chips everyone has got, and the payout structure of the comp. If 40k-man has only got you covered a little, I'd lean towards jamming.

you think he is folding?

I think he should be calling tight (swerving 22-88 perhaps, whereas without the bubble he'll call with some of those). Whether he will or not, I don't know, I've never met the geezer.

Oh and BTW, from MC's recent blog post I'd probably be getting a purple- I've definitely taken a few flips when I'd be better off just keeping my powder dry and laddering.

I'm now regretting this post- he's raised to 40k out of 90k hasn't he, so he's not folding. I am a mug.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: outragous76 on March 26, 2011, 03:40:44 PM
This really, really depends on how many chips everyone has got, and the payout structure of the comp. If 40k-man has only got you covered a little, I'd lean towards jamming.

you think he is folding?

I think he should be calling tight (swerving 22-88 perhaps, whereas without the bubble he'll call with some of those). Whether he will or not, I don't know, I've never met the geezer.

Oh and BTW, from MC's recent blog post I'd probably be getting a purple- I've definitely taken a few flips when I'd be better off just keeping my powder dry and laddering.

I'm now regretting this post- he's raised to 40k out of 90k hasn't he, so he's not folding. I am a mug.

his remaining stack is irrelevant - we only have 60k total - he has put in 40k


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: amcgrath1uk on March 26, 2011, 03:51:52 PM
This really, really depends on how many chips everyone has got, and the payout structure of the comp. If 40k-man has only got you covered a little, I'd lean towards jamming.

you think he is folding?

I think he should be calling tight (swerving 22-88 perhaps, whereas without the bubble he'll call with some of those). Whether he will or not, I don't know, I've never met the geezer.

Oh and BTW, from MC's recent blog post I'd probably be getting a purple- I've definitely taken a few flips when I'd be better off just keeping my powder dry and laddering.

I'm now regretting this post- he's raised to 40k out of 90k hasn't he, so he's not folding. I am a mug.

his remaining stack is irrelevant - we only have 60k total - he has put in 40k

Yup. So the question is whether or not we were ahead. I'll reveal what I did and why later tonight or tomorrow.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: ezekielf on March 26, 2011, 06:46:31 PM
The game exemplifies the worst aspects of capitalism that have made our country so great.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: amcgrath1uk on March 26, 2011, 07:37:22 PM
The game exemplifies the worst aspects of capitalism that have made our country so great.

WTF?


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: George2Loose on March 27, 2011, 12:26:43 AM
In a bigger comp I think this is a shove but 40k man always has it in these smaller comps

Fold


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: amcgrath1uk on March 27, 2011, 12:56:32 AM
In a bigger comp I think this is a shove but 40k man always has it in these smaller comps

Fold


Thats pretty much what I came up wiith tbh, but I shoved anyway. He called with AK. 1st card was the Q.

I had this as really marginal, given how many chips I had, the blinds as well as the table dynamic.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: TFMonty on March 31, 2011, 10:45:27 AM
In a bigger comp I think this is a shove but 40k man always has it in these smaller comps

Fold


Yup can pretty much GTD avg fish is thinking CL is abusing his chip stack and I will get him soon enough as they blind away. Just what  the rr considers a hand is another matter. AQs is not going to play that well against a fair ammount his range. If he had jammed instead of like min 3bet then I would prob be more inclined to call. So am pretty sure that this is a fold and wait and utilise some extra equity whne you get the chance to be first in.


Title: Re: Live bubble spot
Post by: baltic_blonde on April 06, 2011, 01:31:26 PM
Fold

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AQs is not going to play that well against a fair ammount his range. If he had jammed instead of like min 3bet then I would prob be more inclined to call. So am pretty sure that this is a fold and wait and utilise some extra equity whne you get the chance to be first in.
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I'm inclined to agree with the above reasoning, hence would fold in this spot.