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Title: PLO Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on March 27, 2011, 02:51:34 PM Here is a spot which I think is pretty interesting
***** Hand History for Game 2695090785 ***** (IPoker) $100.00 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, March 26, 07:41:12 ET 2011 Table KamenskUralsky (No DP) (Real Money) Seat 10 is the button Seat 1: ViOlHejl ( $100.50 USD ) Seat 3: lizafiza ( $147.50 USD ) Seat 5: 1511 ( $100.00 USD ) Seat 6: HERO ( $462.23 USD ) Seat 8: RazzOmaha ( $191.90 USD ) Seat 10: WillemVanOranje ( $169.43 USD ) ViOlHejl posts small blind [$0.50 USD]. lizafiza posts big blind [$1.00 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to HERO [ 7d 6d 8s 9s ] HERO raises [$3.50 USD] RazzOmaha calls [$3.50 USD] WillemVanOranje raises [$15.50 USD] ViOlHejl calls [$15.00 USD] lizafiza folds HERO calls [$12.00 USD] RazzOmaha calls [$12.00 USD] ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 5c, 9h ] ViOlHejl checks HERO checks RazzOmaha checks WillemVanOranje bets [$47.25 USD] ViOlHejl folds HERO raises [$200.00 USD] would like to get some opinions on the flop, with the options being c/jam, c/fold or pot get it in? few reads for you, villain is a reg we have tons of history I think he thinks I'm a bit spewy, his 3bet % of 10k hands is 4% and his squeeze% is 8% so pretty tight imo Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: GreekStein on March 28, 2011, 03:21:40 PM gjkadkasd I hate WillemVanOranje, nit who runs like usain.
Here I expect him to have AA/KK with hearts, so I don't wanna jam but feel we have too many outs to fold. I think call and then get it in on any non heart/non board pair. Any blank 10-2 card basically. Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: smashedagain on March 28, 2011, 04:35:55 PM no one wants to answer dave prob coz you are the plo man. me thinks he has a hand 100% with his 2 pot size bets. possibly correct with what cos says (dont see a set with pot pre and this board) or even worse similar hand to you with hearts. if as cos says he runs good it is safe to assume he has been seen getting it in with draws and hitting frequently or havinjg made hands that hold up despite being a dog so is he folding a flop when he pots. imo call and play poker on the turn and either save yourself the $100 he has left or take it off him when he undoubtedly puts it in on turn.
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: Dubai on March 28, 2011, 04:51:54 PM I play it the same.
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: smashedagain on March 28, 2011, 05:10:14 PM if the guy does have the big pair and flush draw is dave a 2/1 dog but if just the big pair and no draw i think dave is around 45% to win. i dont play enough omaha any more but the basic maths will always be the same i thinkl. (just for cos i do have a round of each result according to the holy grail. buy was up against guys jamming with KKKK and germans who thought that straights beat flushes in omaha)
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: NoflopsHomer on March 28, 2011, 05:25:37 PM Flat flop and get in on a non-heart turn.
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: Dubai on March 28, 2011, 05:54:30 PM Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: GreekStein on March 28, 2011, 06:04:25 PM Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him) Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: George2Loose on March 28, 2011, 06:06:11 PM Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him) so you play it differently against a random/readless? Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: Dubai on March 28, 2011, 06:10:26 PM Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him) Yeah well im only going on what we are told. Dont know who opponent is, if thats the case then it should be easy just to pokerstove it Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on March 28, 2011, 06:15:16 PM Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him) Yeah well im only going on what we are told. Dont know who opponent is, if thats the case then it should be easy just to pokerstove it yeah, vs this particular opponent when he makes this bet size he has AA with hearts pretty much 100% (which is technically a chk fold if we run it thru a stove) but I really want to harvest some opinion on how people think to proceed best vs someone with these preflop stats (pretty stndrd for these stakes) without that speicifc read. Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on March 28, 2011, 06:17:18 PM Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc any merit to leading the flop in your opinion? Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: smashedagain on March 28, 2011, 06:20:19 PM Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc Problem is this opponent like always has AA or KK with hearts to play the hand this way. (I've played a fair amount with him) Yeah well im only going on what we are told. Dont know who opponent is, if thats the case then it should be easy just to pokerstove it yeah, vs this particular opponent when he makes this bet size he has AA with hearts pretty much 100% (which is technically a chk fold if we run it thru a stove) but I really want to harvest some opinion on how people think to proceed best vs someone with these preflop stats (pretty stndrd for these stakes) without that speicifc read. Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: Dubai on March 28, 2011, 06:29:03 PM Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc any merit to leading the flop in your opinion? Would he check AAxx no hearts, no st draw behind? If you lead what does he do with AAxx no hearts, no st draw? Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: GreekStein on March 28, 2011, 06:31:56 PM Readless I get it in george because at these stakes there are too many clowns who wanna bust themselves with bare aces or kings.
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: smashedagain on March 28, 2011, 06:47:44 PM Readless I get it in george because at these stakes there are too many clowns who wanna bust themselves with bare aces or kings. if the guy has hand like AA24 and dave hits the turn making a str8 and the guy has no hearts the guy has no re draw and prob gets his last $100 drawing dead any way especially at this level. dont know about on line but live tight players check AA KK on the turn fearing sets (especially in multi way pot) so do you not think we may get a free river card occasinally when we miss the turn saving that last $100.Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: GreekStein on March 28, 2011, 06:55:18 PM I doubt we get any free rivers jase if we miss. Very rarely if we do. Usually the free rivers would be the ones we don't want free
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: smashedagain on March 28, 2011, 06:59:38 PM ok. fair point. managed a scarf and bobble hat just sat reading this post
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: maldini32 on March 28, 2011, 07:03:49 PM Yep villain is tight and ive played a lot of hands v him.
Ps he runs like a train! Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on March 28, 2011, 07:54:53 PM Problem is we almost never have a flush draw when we flat the flop, so our opponent is likely to play almost perfectly against our range. And it would be a pretty huge mistake to call flop and fold turn against AA24etc any merit to leading the flop in your opinion? Would he check AAxx no hearts, no st draw behind? If you lead what does he do with AAxx no hearts, no st draw? I think personally I expect most people to chk bare AA and fold it to a bet....not sure if anyone else agrees with it. personally I'm gonna bet fold there 100%with the Ahrt in my hand and without it IDK would depend, i'd be betting 1/3 pot tho his betsize of 3/4 is horrible I think this hand is gonna do much better equity-wise if it's 3way....so I still cant decide if potting, leading for 1/2 pot or c/jamming are better - altho in this specific spot I think c/f would have been nut line but meh@folding Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on March 28, 2011, 07:56:22 PM Yep villain is tight and ive played a lot of hands v him. Ps he runs like a train! yh of the 10k hands I have on him he -1,100bb's at hand 8,500 he's now +5,100bb's so just your standrd 62buyin 1500 hands lol Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: doubleup on March 29, 2011, 12:35:51 AM Did you have his cbet stats? If he appears to cbet only when he hits or when he can rep hitting, this must be a marginal call and def not a push.
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: SuuPRlim on March 29, 2011, 10:31:12 AM Did you have his cbet stats? If he appears to cbet only when he hits or when he can rep hitting, this must be a marginal call and def not a push. If we're talking about the specific pot in the OP then he has a pretty high Cbet, however it's obvious he isn't bet folding here so the stat becomes kind of useless. I do think though that jamming is much better than calling, when we're so close to our equity (like I would have said of the top of my head we have 35-40% vs AA with reds) and we need a lil over 40% to stack off, whereas it's an EV mistake to get it in it's a much great mistake to continue in the hand and not realize all our equity. Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: TheFallen on March 29, 2011, 02:05:42 PM I donk lead
Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: GreekStein on March 29, 2011, 02:09:45 PM I donk lead 4 way, with stack sizes and villain description, I don't like this at all. What's your reasoning? Title: Re: PLO Spot Post by: TommyD on March 31, 2011, 12:46:37 AM Readless I get it in george because at these stakes there are too many clowns who wanna bust themselves with bare aces or kings. Pretty much this. If the villain has solid C-Bet stats (AA with hearts here etc) then it's borderline call to fold. Then again when I hit a flop like this I normally end up grabbing a cowboy hat, wave it in the air and scream 'Let's Gamble.' Hate the lead, especially at these stakes. All manner of non nut two heart combinations come along for the ride with this many people behind you, let alone the stronger combo hands. |