Title: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: pleno1 on March 30, 2011, 10:06:03 PM He 100% see's me as fishy and cally.
Full Tilt Poker Game #29479630187: Table Swiftly Tilting (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:04:56 ET - 2011/03/30 Seat 1: Hans Vogl ($267) Seat 2: Mystic_girl_xx ($114.35) Seat 3: Knutsen1988 ($85) Seat 4: the_sphinx1 ($372.80) Seat 5: kuhnigget ($206.45) Seat 6: pads1161 ($345.75) kuhnigget posts the small blind of $1 pads1161 posts the big blind of $2 The button is in seat #4 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [Th Qh] Hans Vogl raises to $6 Mystic_girl_xx folds Knutsen1988 folds the_sphinx1 folds kuhnigget folds pads1161 calls $4 *** FLOP *** [5s 9s Jc] pads1161 checks Hans Vogl bets $10 pads1161 calls $10 *** TURN *** [5s 9s Jc] [4h] pads1161 checks Hans Vogl bets $25 pads1161 calls $25 *** RIVER *** [5s 9s Jc 4h] [As] pads1161 has 15 seconds left to act pads1161 bets $67 Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: TheFallen on March 31, 2011, 12:51:40 AM seems like a waste to not take a shot at this river card.
i prefer a flop c/r Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: Rupert on March 31, 2011, 02:34:59 AM i'd either fold or 3 bet preflop, i'd probs c/r the flop we don't have that much equity on the flop and we are basically hoping the turn checks through so we can bet the river where as c/r we can just bomb all 3. fold the turn as played. i don't see the river bluff working very often, just so many draws missed and he has a pair of jacks or better so often
Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: pleno1 on March 31, 2011, 07:53:14 AM i'd either fold or 3 bet preflop, i'd probs c/r the flop we don't have that much equity on the flop and we are basically hoping the turn checks through so we can bet the river where as c/r we can just bomb all 3. fold the turn as played. i don't see the river bluff working very often, just so many draws missed and he has a pair of jacks or better so often So if you have a flush draw you play it like this? Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: GreekStein on March 31, 2011, 02:25:49 PM happy2callpre
Queen and ten soooted sooo pretty Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: Rupert on March 31, 2011, 02:33:12 PM there's a lot of flush draws we can just c/c on this flop, maybe A2s or similar i might c/r since its gonna be hard to win the hand unless we hit. any fd with a jack in is getting c/c, and probably every fd with a sd/gutter will get called
Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: Rupert on March 31, 2011, 02:35:04 PM pres whatever, i like to 3 bet lots to avoid the obvious reverse implied odds but that's only because i have trouble ever folding top pair
Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: pleno1 on March 31, 2011, 02:52:08 PM Also I don't like 3betting too much from the bb vs UTG open, espeically at 200rush because my range simply isn't balanced.
Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: Rupert on March 31, 2011, 03:02:39 PM i dont even know what that means, are you saying you only 3 bet the nuts utg vs bb?
Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: pleno1 on March 31, 2011, 03:04:26 PM i dont even know what that means, are you saying you only 3 bet the nuts utg vs bb? It means I'm not happy getting it in for value bb vs UTG (when I'm BB) with 99-jj, even qq. So ym value range is super thin, so going to the other thread if I 3bet too much here I'll get exploited by good regs who will just 4bet me a bunch Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: pleno1 on March 31, 2011, 03:07:14 PM By the way, I'm posting hands I think I made mistakes in. Of course I'm saying my thought processes because thats what I'm thinking at the time. I'm actually on a pretty big upswing and really doing well in these games but ofc I will have leaks, I want to sort these out and always, always appreciate everybodys advice/thoughts x
Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: cambridgealex on March 31, 2011, 03:23:17 PM pleno treading on egg shells these days!
Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: Cornie4ever on March 31, 2011, 06:54:56 PM I think that´s ok to play like this. Especially if he views you as fishy, he can even fold QQ,KK (and ofc will fold Jx and some draws with pair etc.) because he thinks that you just hit your A and go for value. Many players view 2x c/c and lead river as a TPTK or 2pair line. So I like it. If he has Ace himself and calls (or makes good hero with marginal hands) so be it, I still think that this bluff can work well vs his combined range on this board.
Ofc C/R flop is good alternative but the problem there is that you don´t want to get it in (and he gets it in with all his better hands and spade FD as well). So I like your line. Even taking into account that Hans can do thin folds as I know him from rush tables :-) hmmmm my 1st post here is quite long isnt it? Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: pleno1 on April 01, 2011, 08:53:57 AM
Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: pleno1 on April 01, 2011, 08:55:02 AM I think that´s ok to play like this. Especially if he views you as fishy, he can even fold QQ,KK (and ofc will fold Jx and some draws with pair etc.) because he thinks that you just hit your A and go for value. Many players view 2x c/c and lead river as a TPTK or 2pair line. So I like it. If he has Ace himself and calls (or makes good hero with marginal hands) so be it, I still think that this bluff can work well vs his combined range on this board. Ofc C/R flop is good alternative but the problem there is that you don´t want to get it in (and he gets it in with all his better hands and spade FD as well). So I like your line. Even taking into account that Hans can do thin folds as I know him from rush tables :-) hmmmm my 1st post here is quite long isnt it? However I think QQ= Jx anddddddd its very rare that I have an Ace, unless i have 2 pair. Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: Cornie4ever on April 01, 2011, 01:44:20 PM You can have some Aspades 2s+ but you would probably 3bet those preflop right. But you will be flatting sometimes Aspades 9s+ or Ahrt Jc+ whatever and it makes complete sense to play this line with 2pair on the river as you want value from his AT, AQ or so which decide to check back river but would call your bet.
Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: SuuPRlim on April 03, 2011, 05:53:25 PM My 4th consequative Rupert +1 (to all comments)
dont like the turn c/c and think you get picked off way too often OTR, speshly by Mr. Vogl. I wouldnt flat pre and would prolly c/f the turn as played but I would find myself donking the flop a LOT here Title: Re: NL200 RUSH I c/c/c/c Lead VS Hans Vogl Post by: AlexMartin on April 03, 2011, 07:27:35 PM is hans a fish or something? seems like a superstandard fold pre.
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