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Title: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: cambridgealex on April 04, 2011, 06:03:09 PM No reads. Is this OK? I thought raise/getting it in on the turn when the equity of all his combo draws plumets was better than the flop. Should we be folding the river getting almost 3:1 (he shoves 20eff into 58)? What about his line? He realises no FE on the turn so just flats hopes to bink then shove or fold.
PokerStars Game #60313445330: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2011/04/04 14:46:06 WET [2011/04/04 9:46:06 ET] Table 'Giclas VII' 2-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: 20alex430 ($50 in chips) Seat 2: X-Front ($215.20 in chips) 20alex430: posts small blind $0.25 X-Front: posts big blind $0.50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to 20alex430 [Qd Qh] 20alex430: raises $1 to $1.50 X-Front: calls $1 *** FLOP *** [Jc 2h Th] X-Front: checks 20alex430: bets $1.70 X-Front: raises $3.75 to $5.45 20alex430: calls $3.75 *** TURN *** [Jc 2h Th] [4c] X-Front: bets $8 20alex430: raises $14.50 to $22.50 X-Front: calls $14.50 *** RIVER *** [Jc 2h Th 4c] [8h] X-Front: bets $185.75 and is all-in 20alex430: calls $20.55 and is all-in Uncalled bet ($165.20) returned to X-Front *** SHOW DOWN *** X-Front: shows [4h Ah] (a flush, Ace high) 20alex430: shows [Qd Qh] (a pair of Queens) Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: MC on April 04, 2011, 06:08:11 PM Not a huge fan of the turn raise, I'd probs either 3b the flop or just call the turn rather than do this.
Has been a while since I played HU tho :) Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: stato_1 on April 04, 2011, 06:24:55 PM Seat 1: 20alex430 ($50 in chips) Seat 2: X-Front ($215.20 in chips) ul Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: AlexMartin on April 04, 2011, 06:54:11 PM just jam the turn/
Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: pleno1 on April 04, 2011, 07:11:13 PM may look like tiny thing, but cbet $2
Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: cambridgealex on April 04, 2011, 07:13:14 PM Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: cambridgealex on April 04, 2011, 07:14:21 PM Seat 1: 20alex430 ($50 in chips) Seat 2: X-Front ($215.20 in chips) ul this was first few hands. soon it was reading the other way round though dont u worry son. Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: SuuPRlim on April 04, 2011, 07:18:07 PM just jam the turn/ yh +1, reps draws a bit better and gives you much more FE when you actually have a draw there and wanna jam Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: pleno1 on April 04, 2011, 07:47:20 PM just jam the turn/ yh +1, reps draws a bit better and gives you much more FE when you actually have a draw there and wanna jam yeah but think about it the other way... our range looks alot stronger and we can get more folds when we are bluffing. Like 10x will probably fold here but when we jam call. I'm not entirely sure what this means. Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: toddswain on April 04, 2011, 07:51:45 PM I think this early into the match its good to just 3b/get it in on the flop, also +1 to shoving the turn. As played call it off
Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: cambridgealex on April 04, 2011, 08:17:47 PM what do we think about his line on the turn? fine?
Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: toddswain on April 04, 2011, 09:38:56 PM I think its a really interesting spot for the villain on the turn with it being 4hands in or w.e. With him cr'ing flop i think he has to barrel turn, but when you raise it makes all his decisions a bit meh. I dont like any of b/f,b/c and bet/3bshove in this spot, would like to know what others do. Therefore i think c/s on the turn has to be the optimal move ?
Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: Meister on April 04, 2011, 11:21:47 PM Fold river.
Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 11:36:07 PM I'd shove turn but as played deffo sigh fold river. I doubt he's bluffing enough to call it off
Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: cambridgealex on April 04, 2011, 11:46:56 PM I'd shove turn but as played deffo sigh fold river. I doubt he's bluffing enough to call it off i suppose he's never shoving worse either? Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: George2Loose on April 04, 2011, 11:58:27 PM I'd shove turn but as played deffo sigh fold river. I doubt he's bluffing enough to call it off i suppose he's never shoving worse either? On that board I really can't see it Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: cambridgealex on April 05, 2011, 12:39:32 AM I think its a really interesting spot for the villain on the turn with it being 4hands in or w.e. With him cr'ing flop i think he has to barrel turn, but when you raise it makes all his decisions a bit meh. I dont like any of b/f,b/c and bet/3bshove in this spot, would like to know what others do. Therefore i think c/s on the turn has to be the optimal move ? i like his bet call actually. he has no fold equity and knows it. So he can bet/call with the right price and just shove the river if he hits knowing i'll probs have to call. I gave him the right price and paid for it, I don't think he can call a shove. B/c is better than b/f b/j or any of the check options. Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: Whollyflush on April 05, 2011, 02:55:34 AM what do we think about his line on the turn? fine? Hmmm its differcult to say, as a default on this board id prefer to c/c the turn in his spot for a few reasons but thats only against semi competent players. Title: Re: QQ on Jhigh wet board. Line check pls Post by: Whollyflush on April 05, 2011, 02:58:34 AM I'd shove turn but as played deffo sigh fold river. I doubt he's bluffing enough to call it off Early in a match i wouldn't "hero" fold a strong hand like this yet, the information is too invaluable. Your also getting very favourable odds. |