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I am really struggling atm. Doesn't seem to matter what I do I lose. Maybe it's cos I'm shit. IDK. I know I should probably 3 bet this pre but we're quite deep and he's 4xed it utg. I really don't want to get into a huge flip this deep if he has AK. What do we do on this gross flop and now what to we do when I get mis raised? Should I be betting flop or c/calling?

Butchered is probably the word.

Full Tilt Poker Game #29819130615: $30,000 Rush Guar (Rebuy) (231568555), Table 170 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:42:47 ET - 2011/04/11
Seat 1: gergi36 (93,151)
Seat 2: FermiDirac (103,408)
Seat 3: 13dewalt13 (100,498)
Seat 4: Bettwurst (54,457)
Seat 5: NUTSpsb (62,829)
Seat 6: George2Loose (46,707)
Seat 7: IHaveMoved (12,740)
Seat 8: ICUUCME23 (119,857)
Seat 9: dafunk001 (68,854)
gergi36 antes 75
FermiDirac antes 75
13dewalt13 antes 75
Bettwurst antes 75
NUTSpsb antes 75
George2Loose antes 75
IHaveMoved antes 75
ICUUCME23 antes 75
dafunk001 antes 75
FermiDirac posts the small blind of 300
13dewalt13 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Qh Qs]
Bettwurst folds
NUTSpsb raises to 2,400
gergi36 has been disconnected
gergi36 has reconnected
George2Loose calls 2,400
IHaveMoved folds
ICUUCME23 folds
dafunk001 calls 2,400
gergi36 folds
FermiDirac folds
13dewalt13 folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 4h 6h]
NUTSpsb checks
George2Loose bets 5,550
dafunk001 raises to 11,100

Any reads on the min raiser?

flatting pre is fine, this isn't 'an awful' flop for us though we obviously are really not thrilled about being minraised.

I think i'd mainly just fold flop unless i'd already opr'ed this guy/had a read on him denoting him as incapable of being good......

Sorry. Its rushaments

the 4x pre makes me even more keen to 3b

start by calling, turn action?

I call.js on turn. I check. He bets like 15 (sorry on phone now)

Tbh wish I had just folded flop. He hardly ever checks turn or min raises flop with worse

I definitely 3bet pre but I don't think calling is particularly bad.  As played I fold the flop but once I have called the flop I am willing to go all the way with the hand on a no overcard/no heart turn. Agree with Titbean that it isn't a horrible flop and whilst you are crushed by some hands he has you are crushing most of his overpairs.

think i fold the flop tbh.

Betting flop ok?

wot are u putting him on george?

..as no rr from him pre he doesnt have a big pair as he wouldnt want to go to the flop 3 handed..unless real bad (although i have  have seen people voluntarily go to the flop 6 handed with kings when last to act ) obv his either protecting set or drawing... i think by the turn bet he has a set as a sensible player would take the free card u gave him to hit his draw and control the pot. Unless his total bluff happy loon....  As played fold the turn... not sure im folding the flop just yet because he is more likely to have a draw on such a wet board...

Felt like a set. Just not playing well.

Ps¦ Thx for the mc staking btw :(

reminded me of this

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToOoJ5oAqbc

Im sure he has Aces here

lol @Tony G

 Although a set is a distinct possibility i do think that  JJ is a serious candidate. Villian sees your bet as a possible continuation bet with AK / AQ but is, at the same time concerned, correctly, that you may have the overpair and so makes a relatively cheap attempt to take the pot down. He then gets lucky on the turn and value bets you.
 I think that not three betting was a mistake, but i think that betting and calling the min-raise on the flop was ok. I assume that you folded to the turn bet. Villian managed to put you in a very difficult spot, whatever he was holding due to his positional advantage. WP villian. Cheers for posting George :)

Sure did fold

was about to say!

also lol@ "whatever he had he played it well". it always makes me laugh when ppl say that.

I don't get the lol at WP to villian Alex. As you are probably aware, George is a very capable live and online player. Ignoring, for a moment, what the villian may, or may not be holding., surely, making an aggressive move, which puts George to a difficult decision, gains the initiative in the hand, buys a river card cheaply (if drawing or behind) and probably gives himself a large chunk of fold equity if he is actually behind but continues betting, is no bad thing.
 At the same time, if villian does have a set, he's built the pot up nicely, should George continue in the hand, from his OOP spot and may well take George to value town. VWP Villian :)

You say you are struggling. Always an idea to look at your mentality when you are struggling. In this spot you have one of the smallest stacks at the table and you are anxious about getting into an inflated hu pot with queens cos somebody opens 4x. You focus on the very worst case scenario developing when you should be thinking about the best way to extract value with a premium hand. Unless the table is aggro behind I don't know why calling would be a better value move than 3betting the UTG open. I don't think the flop is gross for your hand either. Pretty negative thought process going on. However I agree the min raise is something to sigh about.

Yep deffo playing with a lack of confidence atm

yeh i think this is evident in all of your play/thought processes here. you're scared to be getting in Xbbs with QQ pre in case they have Aces or its a big flip. I think you know this is the wrong mentality and until you get rid of those thoughts your play will suffer. You're good, you know it - so just remember that and play like you can - the results will come!

i think another thing here george is when you are suffering a bit, reverting back to ABC and not taking weird lines is probably your friend (and might pay dividends if regs arent expecting you to be ABC)

I think pre is fine and i'd call flop

He had a 7 with another 7

like I said

Don't worry George read was good... Just needed to trust it..I did the exact same thing in one of the Sunday's but managed to recover..mc staking u were welcome but obv ur in makeup... ;)

flatting pre is terrible

3 bet/get it in

I don't think its terrible but I'd 3bet

A lot of people don't like 3betting UTG raisers cos if he's tight you really narrow your own range so readless I think flatting has merit