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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, April 11, 06:32:21 ET 2011
Table Adelheid VI (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $53.25 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 4.7, Hands: 90
Seat 3: Player3 ( $58.80 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 17, 3B: 10, AF: 0.5, Hands: 47
Seat 4: Player4 ( $61.75 USD ) - VPIP: 35, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 23
Seat 5: Player5 ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2.5, Hands: 80
Seat 6: Hero ( $112.35 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 19, 3B: 9, AF: 2.1, Hands: 2975
Player5 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [  Jd Jh ]
Player1 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 raises [$1.25 USD]
Hero raises [$4.50 USD]
Player5 raises [$12.00 USD]
Hero ???

What should I be doing in this situation? Or what would you do?

Be interesting to see what people say, cos I feel I played it totally wrong after this point.

I really hate these bvb spots but I am jamming here.

I thought so too in hindsight, which obviously means I didn't. I guess I give him an option to fold cos it'd cost him 38 more if I jam.

yeh im getting this in. But this is perhaps the bottom of my range. TT probs goes in as well.

Well I flatted, which isnt a disaster as I can fold post flop when his standard Ace with AK flops...but I didnt fold trying to be a hero. Im such a donk.

it is pretty much a disaster. you can't flat a 4b to 24bbs when you're only 100deep, just jam or fold. but don't fold.

Yep flatting is the worst of the three options.  Because on the flop you are going to be put to a much harder decision and the combos that beat you on the average flop are a lot higher than they are preflop pretty much irrespective of the flop.

flatting is clearly >>>> folding?

guy has a 3% 3bet so I assume his 4b range is pretty tight pre flop so imo folding is way better than flatting.

folding might even be the best option, but because you have such a small sample on the guy (only 80 hands) I'd just get it in PF. speshly with how aggressive you appear to be (whether or not he has noticed or not IDK)

I wouldn't flat pre-flop, to stack off on non A/K boards, we don't really gain any value except making some EV when AK/AQ folds without us having to showdown but pretty sure this is negated by the amount of times we stack off to OP's

over 80hand sample size...

the guys a huge nit, just flat his open and definitely don't get this in pre

that is all the info we have
 and also....

did u ninjaedit your post? dont remember reading that bit lol

no look at the bottom of the post - no edits :p

Some good points.

If I get in this situation I'll be sure to check his 3bet% but the sample as mentioned isn't the biggest but he is tight.

I guess I need to just keep playing, get my database of hands up so I can get better reads and get the sample size up.

Next time, I'm jammin'

I think it is very hard to glean any info from the guiy based on his stats over 80 hands for this hand given it is BvB and the Op has a very aggressive and loose image based on his stats.  A lot of players loosen up significantly in a BvB sitaution and he could easily be making a move here where he will stack off with something like AT/KQ any pair and the hands that he is 4betfolding are probably only Ace-rags and some broadway combos and he is probably not 4betting them in the first place.  My only big worry looking at the hand again is that the initial raise looks like something that I would have done when I first started playing with a massive hand trying to get a customer.  Bully aree you saying in your post later that he had AK??

Yep, AKo

small samples can still have some use. he has 3bet 3% in 80 hands which I imagine will prolly be 1 time out of around 30 opportunities, whereas the sample isn't big enough to tell us he is actually a nit (he might be good TAG) but what it does tell us is he hasn't yet shown any signs of being capable of being anything other than a nit - so it is therefore impossible to credit him for too wide of a 3bet range with the info we have atm.