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Title: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: Bully87 on April 19, 2011, 12:09:52 AM OK we already know I'm loose as Jordans bits and thats why I'm in this pot with this hand. But want to know if anyone lays down at any point post flop. It may look relatively simple to say fold pre, check call flop, turn and river. River should I be V betting? 9 high flush on a paired board? If so how much?
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars) $50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, April 18, 12:39:25 ET 2011 Table Sy III (Real Money) Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: Player1 ( $50.40 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 65 Seat 2: Player2 ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 11, 3B: 6, AF: 7.0, Hands: 71 Seat 3: Player3 ( $122.70 USD ) - VPIP: 35, PFR: 16, 3B: 11, AF: 1.8, Hands: 69 Seat 5: Hero ( $118.70 USD ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 2.0, Hands: 4751 Seat 6: Player6 ( $57.25 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 99 Player3 posts small blind [$0.25 USD]. Hero posts big blind [$0.50 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Hero [ 9h 5h ] Player6 folds Player1 folds Player2 raises [$1.15 USD] Player3 calls [$0.90 USD] Hero calls [$0.65 USD] ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 6h, 6s ] Player3 bets [$1.50 USD] Hero calls [$1.50 USD] Player2 raises [$4.50 USD] Player3 folds Hero calls [$3.00 USD] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ] Hero checks Player2 bets [$9.95 USD] Hero calls [$9.95 USD] ** Dealing River ** [ Qh ] Hero checks Player2 checks Hero shows [9h, 5h ] Hero wins $32.20 USD from main pot Player2 doesn't show [6d, 5d ] Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: SuuPRlim on April 19, 2011, 12:54:41 AM lets not talk about preflop :p
this is a great example of a hand we can cut out of our preflop calling range in case you need to know why... (http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=lxy&chd=t:0,0.46,0.57,1.13,1.24,1.63,1.84,1.95,2.16,2.72,2.88,3.19,3.37,3.97,4.21,4.37,4.5,4.65,4.77,4.88,5.08,5.45,6.13,7.38,9.05,10.59,12.13,12.93,14.15,15.15,15.53,15.87,16.11,16.22,16.34,16.46,16.79,17.29,17.86,18.09,18.35,18.52,18.61,18.76,19.12,19.6,20.04,20.46,20.78,21.41,21.81,22.35,23.24,23.9,24.58,25.13,25.43,25.68,25.82,26.25,26.78,27.81,28.92,30.56,31.21,31.85,32.37,33.17,33.7,34.44,35.01,36.05,37.75,39.52,41.8,44.14,47.07,50.55,53.98,56.95,59.33,63.26,66.31,68.36,69.73,70.53,71.29,72.08,72.83,73.62,74.52,76.23,78.99,81.71,84.58,87.58,91.51,94.72,97.1,98.36,100.0|100,99.0,98.0,97.0,96.0,95.0,94.0,93.0,92.0,91.0,90.0,89.0,88.0,87.0,86.0,85.0,84.0,83.0,82.0,81.0,80.0,79.0,78.0,77.0,76.0,75.0,74.0,73.0,72.0,71.0,70.0,69.0,68.0,67.0,66.0,65.0,64.0,63.0,62.0,61.0,60.0,59.0,58.0,57.0,56.0,55.0,54.0,53.0,52.0,51.0,50.0,49.0,48.0,47.0,46.0,45.0,44.0,43.0,42.0,41.0,40.0,39.0,38.0,37.0,36.0,35.0,34.0,33.0,32.0,31.0,30.0,29.0,28.0,27.0,26.0,25.0,24.0,23.0,22.0,21.0,20.0,19.0,18.0,17.0,16.0,15.0,14.0,13.0,12.0,11.0,10.0,9.0,8.0,7.0,6.0,5.0,4.0,3.0,2.0,1.0,0.0&chs=450x300&chds=0,100&chxt=x,y,x,y,t&chxl=0:|0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|1:|0|10|20|30|40|50|60|70|80|90|100|2:||Percentage+of+flops||3:||Min.%20Equity||4:||Propokertools.com|&chxs=0,000000|1,000000&chxtc=0,-300|1,-450&chf=bg,s,DDFFDD&chco=D13621) Hold'em Simulation ? 239,722,560 trials (Exhaustive) Hand Equity Wins Ties 9h5h 31.69% 75,191,927 1,557,904 11% 68.31% 162,972,729 1,557,904 and it gets even worse as it goes multi way.... fold to the flop raise 100% fold to the turn bet 100% once he's checked we have the best hnd so bettttttttttttttttt the river 100000% and his range is STRONG so we're getting a LOT of calls Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: TheRaise on April 19, 2011, 08:14:12 AM If you are going to call with 95 suited preflop then you must bet the river.
Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: pleno1 on April 19, 2011, 09:16:00 AM our hand is pretty face up if we c/c. c/c. lead on flush flop.
Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: SuuPRlim on April 19, 2011, 09:23:36 AM our hand is pretty face up if we c/c. c/c. lead on flush flop. you mean river? we're IP Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: Bully87 on April 19, 2011, 10:04:10 AM our hand is pretty face up if we c/c. c/c. lead on flush flop. Thats what I thought, and then it's a paired board too. Point taken on playing 95hh...but on turn I should be getting better? I picked up an up and down draw. Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: SuuPRlim on April 19, 2011, 03:30:59 PM we still have to bet the river, we're IP pleno.
he 100% bets his flushes, and the only better hands he might chk to us putting us on a FD are 66/33/QQ turn is still a fold, we're doing so badly vs his whole range, which given the action multiway OTF is pretty much entirely value, big heart combo's the only ones that are "AIR" and we have terrrrrible equity vs them Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: pleno1 on April 19, 2011, 03:37:12 PM we still have to bet the river, we're IP pleno. he 100% bets his flushes, and the only better hands he might chk to us putting us on a FD are 66/33/QQ turn is still a fold, we're doing so badly vs his whole range, which given the action multiway OTF is pretty much entirely value, big heart combo's the only ones that are "AIR" and we have terrrrrible equity vs them ** Dealing River ** [ ] Hero checks Player2 checks Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: SuuPRlim on April 19, 2011, 04:25:12 PM o yeah.
wierd. I was sure we were IP..... This is why we dont draw to stuff with non-showdown that we cant comfortabley VB ver spewy hand imo Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: AlexMartin on April 19, 2011, 05:21:03 PM hard to butcher every decision, close though.
Title: Re: Should I be folding post flop? And vbet river? Post by: cambridgealex on April 20, 2011, 11:28:05 PM Lol@alex martin.
I think OP should note the difference between being loose and being spewy. |