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Title: WPT side event Post by: redarmi on April 21, 2011, 02:56:11 AM $350 WPT Deepstack
Blinds 800-1600 Ante 200 35 Left 18 paid but very flat structure with 15% of field paid. I have a quite aggressive image but haven't shown down much. Villain seems pretty staightforward. We have 26k and raise to 3500 from the CO with 9s 9h. BB playing about 42k calls. Flop comes Js 5s 2d. BB checks. How do we play this from here? There is about 12k in then pot and we have 22.5k behind. Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: DMorgan on April 21, 2011, 05:11:55 AM Can't really see any other viable options besides bet/folding ~7k and even that is pretty gross
Against someone good they should only have AA/KK as a flatting range here imo, peeling anything else seems really spewy Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: buzzharvey22 on April 21, 2011, 06:16:20 AM its actualy like 9.2k in the pot depending on how many players on the table.
i guess we can bet 4.3k and fold to resistance/check back turn, and either call/fold/check river depending on what cards come Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: GreekStein on April 21, 2011, 08:31:52 AM Dmorgan why would you bet 7k? I'd be betting but much less
Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: the rage on April 21, 2011, 09:30:46 AM Shouldn't you just be shoving it all in pre flop in this situation? You probably lose all of your chips to an overpair on a low flop anyway. You also give yourself difficult decisions on a flop with overcards. It's an all in pre for me.
Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: cambridgealex on April 21, 2011, 10:39:40 AM Yeh isn't this just a shove pre? its 16bbs
Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: the rage on April 21, 2011, 11:26:50 AM As played, i think i would just check it back on the flop and try to hit a 9. I would re-evaluate on the turn, but would most likely be cutting my losses and folding to any further betting frfom the villian.
Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: cambridgealex on April 21, 2011, 12:00:22 PM its actualy like 9.2k in the pot depending on how many players on the table. i guess we can bet 4.3k and fold to resistance/check back turn, and either call/fold/check river depending on what cards come this. and follow the rage's plan and try to hit a 9 :D Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: stato_1 on April 21, 2011, 12:06:26 PM depending on our image/opponent can we not b/c?
oh yeh and shove pre. its just easier Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: outragous76 on April 21, 2011, 12:07:43 PM Jam pre
A competent opponent should only flat AA KK but I'm gonna assume he is terrible! Problem is AJ is right in the middle of his flatting range, but so are 66 77 88. As played I get it in and sigh if he has AJ Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: action man on April 21, 2011, 12:08:32 PM yeh im not bet/folding this flop
quite like shove pre if there are people under 35 left to act Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: DMorgan on April 21, 2011, 12:49:34 PM Juat assumed that the numbers in the OP were right
b/f 4.5k I think is gunna be the nut line vs this guy if he's bad cos he's not gunna ever play back with worse? Much prefer it now with a bigger stack:pot ratio Jam pre is obv fine too, kinda goes without saying. In a live donkament though I'd always rather just open vs randoms Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: redarmi on April 21, 2011, 01:29:22 PM Yeah my maths was wrong. It was nine handed so there was 9600 in the pot. I decided to bet 5200 and he thought for what seemed like ages and then shoved. Are we calling??
Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: outragous76 on April 21, 2011, 01:50:31 PM Yep
Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: the rage on April 21, 2011, 02:10:22 PM I really dont like the idea of betting the flop whilst retaining the option to fold to the shove from villian. I think that it just damages your tournament chances too much. I think that you should decide before you bet, if you are going to call a shove and then go with it.
One reason that i went for the check option on the flop, apart from hoping to hit a 9, was that you may well get check-raised, by Aspades Ts or similar, as well as aces or kings. You aren't in brilliant shape against the flush draw. Now you are in a situation where you are gambling, but having already put in about a third of your stack. Thanks for posting. It's an interesting spot. I look forward to hearing how others would handle this situation. Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: millidonk on April 21, 2011, 02:28:02 PM I really dont like the idea of betting the flop whilst retaining the option to fold to the shove from villian. I think that it just damages your tournament chances too much. I think that you should decide before you bet, if you are going to call a shove and then go with it. One reason that i went for the check option on the flop, apart from hoping to hit a 9, was that you may well get check-raised, by Aspades Ts or similar, as well as aces or kings. You aren't in brilliant shape against the flush draw. Now you are in a situation where you are gambling, but having already put in about a third of your stack. Thanks for posting. It's an interesting spot. I look forward to hearing how others would handle this situation. +1 Jam pre makes it all a lot easier. Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: cambridgealex on April 21, 2011, 03:02:31 PM I really dont like the idea of betting the flop whilst retaining the option to fold to the shove from villian. I think that it just damages your tournament chances too much. I think that you should decide before you bet, if you are going to call a shove and then go with it. One reason that i went for the check option on the flop, apart from hoping to hit a 9, was that you may well get check-raised, by Aspades Ts or similar, as well as aces or kings. You aren't in brilliant shape against the flush draw. Now you are in a situation where you are gambling, but having already put in about a third of your stack. Thanks for posting. It's an interesting spot. I look forward to hearing how others would handle this situation. +1 Jam pre makes it all a lot easier. This is true. Also this is why Live players open shove 35bbs with KQ, 77, AT. Because they won't no where they are at. Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: millidonk on April 21, 2011, 03:07:09 PM I really dont like the idea of betting the flop whilst retaining the option to fold to the shove from villian. I think that it just damages your tournament chances too much. I think that you should decide before you bet, if you are going to call a shove and then go with it. One reason that i went for the check option on the flop, apart from hoping to hit a 9, was that you may well get check-raised, by Aspades Ts or similar, as well as aces or kings. You aren't in brilliant shape against the flush draw. Now you are in a situation where you are gambling, but having already put in about a third of your stack. Thanks for posting. It's an interesting spot. I look forward to hearing how others would handle this situation. +1 Jam pre makes it all a lot easier. This is true. Also this is why Live players open shove 35bbs with KQ, 77, AT. Because they won't no where they are at. Lol, not something I have seen too often. 35 bigs anyway! Although the other week in the 300 i witnessed a first level 11x UTG open, the guy gets it through for 75 chips then flips AK like he is gold. I folded 77. FML. Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: cambridgealex on April 21, 2011, 03:20:16 PM I really dont like the idea of betting the flop whilst retaining the option to fold to the shove from villian. I think that it just damages your tournament chances too much. I think that you should decide before you bet, if you are going to call a shove and then go with it. One reason that i went for the check option on the flop, apart from hoping to hit a 9, was that you may well get check-raised, by Aspades Ts or similar, as well as aces or kings. You aren't in brilliant shape against the flush draw. Now you are in a situation where you are gambling, but having already put in about a third of your stack. Thanks for posting. It's an interesting spot. I look forward to hearing how others would handle this situation. +1 Jam pre makes it all a lot easier. This is true. Also this is why Live players open shove 35bbs with KQ, 77, AT. Because they won't no where they are at. Lol, not something I have seen too often. 35 bigs anyway! Although the other week in the 300 i witnessed a first level 11x UTG open, the guy gets it through for 75 chips then flips AK like he is gold. I folded 77. FML. it happens a lot deep in live comps. ridiculous shoves aplenty at DTD Title: Re: WPT side event Post by: redarmi on April 21, 2011, 05:22:36 PM I was quite interested to see Dmorgans view (which I respect greatly) that he could only be flatting with AA/KK if he was a good player as my read at the time was pretty much the opposite that his range was something along the lines all pairs up to about tens and any two broadway cards and possibly suited connectors. As such I thought if he shoved he was very likely to have a flush draw or a pair lower than mine as well. I thought he would have played a jack a bit more straighforwardly but obviously this is part of his range. I called. He had 34o and hit an ace on the turn which is pretty much besides the point but I am still not sure whether it was a bad call or not outside of the vacuum of the individual hand.
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