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Title: Conversion Post by: WPIL on April 24, 2011, 12:31:22 AM Was running well but as usual for me get towards the bubble or just after the bubble and it all implodes.
Was prerry confident I was good all the way through really also looking for advice on playing a stack when I am in the Top 10 and either in that pre bubble or post bubble stage, seems like I can't get that right online, at least live I am say 30% of the time pushing forward for a decent cash (2nd,3rd etc) but nobody seems to folds to shoves online HELP PokerStars Game #61225411588: Tournament #417010686, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2011/04/23 19:23:09 ET Table '417010686 48' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: RRagazzo (36486 in chips) Seat 2: Piotrstr (18585 in chips) Seat 3: APPW (13409 in chips) Seat 4: yellowman94 (29611 in chips) Seat 5: Cold_Decz (14389 in chips) Seat 6: derharse (10976 in chips) Seat 7: sejo dalcan (12866 in chips) Seat 8: kvejkr (8393 in chips) Seat 9: Yves79 (26450 in chips) RRagazzo: posts the ante 50 Piotrstr: posts the ante 50 APPW: posts the ante 50 yellowman94: posts the ante 50 Cold_Decz: posts the ante 50 derharse: posts the ante 50 sejo dalcan: posts the ante 50 kvejkr: posts the ante 50 Yves79: posts the ante 50 Yves79: posts small blind 200 RRagazzo: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to APPW [Ac Qd] Piotrstr: raises 400 to 800 APPW: raises 1600 to 2400 yellowman94: calls 2400 Cold_Decz: folds derharse: folds sejo dalcan: folds kvejkr: folds Yves79: folds RRagazzo: folds Piotrstr: calls 1600 *** FLOP *** [7h 5d Ah] Piotrstr: checks APPW: bets 10959 and is all-in yellowman94: calls 10959 Piotrstr: folds *** TURN *** [7h 5d Ah] [Kd] *** RIVER *** [7h 5d Ah Kd] [4d] *** SHOW DOWN *** APPW: shows [Ac Qd] (a pair of Aces) yellowman94: shows [Jd Ad] (a flush, Ace high) yellowman94 collected 30168 from pot APPW finished the tournament in 124th place *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 30168 | Rake 0 Board [7h 5d Ah Kd 4d] Seat 1: RRagazzo (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: Piotrstr folded on the Flop Seat 3: APPW showed [Ac Qd] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 4: yellowman94 showed [Jd Ad] and won (30168) with a flush, Ace high Seat 5: Cold_Decz folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: derharse folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: sejo dalcan folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: kvejkr (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Yves79 (small blind) folded before Flop Title: Re: Conversion - Am I playing Jacks differently here Post by: WPIL on April 24, 2011, 12:36:46 AM PokerStars Game #61225342465: Tournament #417010686, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2011/04/23 19:21:11 ET
Table '417010686 48' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: RRagazzo (36586 in chips) Seat 3: APPW (31422 in chips) Seat 4: yellowman94 (29711 in chips) Seat 5: Cold_Decz (14489 in chips) Seat 6: derharse (5063 in chips) Seat 7: sejo dalcan (13166 in chips) Seat 8: kvejkr (9093 in chips) Seat 9: Yves79 (13000 in chips) RRagazzo: posts the ante 50 APPW: posts the ante 50 yellowman94: posts the ante 50 Cold_Decz: posts the ante 50 derharse: posts the ante 50 sejo dalcan: posts the ante 50 kvejkr: posts the ante 50 Yves79: posts the ante 50 sejo dalcan: posts small blind 200 kvejkr: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to APPW [Js Jh] Yves79: raises 450 to 850 RRagazzo: folds APPW: raises 1950 to 2800 yellowman94: folds Cold_Decz: folds derharse: folds sejo dalcan: folds kvejkr: folds Yves79: calls 1950 *** FLOP *** [5c 7c 8d] Yves79: checks APPW: bets 28572 and is all-in Piotrstr is connected Yves79: calls 10150 and is all-in Uncalled bet (18422) returned to APPW *** TURN *** [5c 7c 8d] [Tc] *** RIVER *** [5c 7c 8d Tc] [Qh] *** SHOW DOWN *** Yves79: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces) APPW: shows [Js Jh] (a pair of Jacks) Yves79 collected 26900 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 26900 | Rake 0 Board [5c 7c 8d Tc Qh] Seat 1: RRagazzo folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: APPW showed [Js Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks Seat 4: yellowman94 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Cold_Decz folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: derharse (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: sejo dalcan (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: kvejkr (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: Yves79 showed [Ad Ah] and won (26900) with a pair of Aces Title: Re: Conversion Post by: SuuPRlim on April 24, 2011, 05:35:10 AM hand 1 is unlucky
hand 2 the flop shove is bad, I assume the thought process is "help scary board lets shut it down" but the problem with this is you now influence his range negativley, as in he calls you with the top (hands that are in good shape vs you) and folds the bottom (hands we're in good shape vs) admitedly we make good money whenever he folds (which he will often) but we can rarely get it in crushing once we have over-jammed. Your 3bets are big also, I think you can make them a bit smaller and show similar profits. with a big stack near the bubble you wanna be really putting pressure on the "mid" stacks, stack that have like ~25big blinds, someone opens with that stack size on the bubble and you 3bet? what are they going to do? they dont really want to be piling 25big blinds in without a v strong hand and they are a bit to shallow to be peeling profitabley, so a lot of the time you'll find them folding hands much closer to the top of their range Title: Re: Conversion Post by: WPIL on April 25, 2011, 01:00:49 PM Is the 3 bet too big on both hands
Raising by 1100 with the AQ and maybee no raise with the Jacks or just 1700 Action on the flop with Jacks from Hero on that draw heavy board? cheers Title: Re: Conversion Post by: SuuPRlim on April 25, 2011, 01:06:11 PM Is the 3 bet too big on both hands Raising by 1100 with the AQ and maybee no raise with the Jacks or just 1700 Action on the flop with Jacks from Hero on that draw heavy board? cheers yh 3b too big on both r.e the jacks play OTF hand 2 the flop shove is bad, I assume the thought process is "help scary board lets shut it down" but the problem with this is you now influence his range negativley, as in he calls you with the top (hands that are in good shape vs you) and folds the bottom (hands we're in good shape vs) admitedly we make good money whenever he folds (which he will often) but we can rarely get it in crushing once we have over-jammed. Title: Re: Conversion Post by: WPIL on April 25, 2011, 01:08:10 PM On the flop
(excuse my ignorance!!) Title: Re: Conversion Post by: SuuPRlim on April 25, 2011, 02:27:13 PM On the flop (excuse my ignorance!!) oh man actualy I just seen the stack sizes for the JJ hand, yh very arkward now cos the pot is ~6k with 10k back in stacks, I think id bet ~2.25k or something and snap a jam, problem there is that his range is hilariously strong to call a 3bet off 26big blinds and jam over a flop bet, you'rel literally never in good shape unless he has TT which people will show up with here from time to time. Still pot is too big to bet fold, chk folding is unthinkable so i think id lean towards a small bet which MIGHT encourage slightly lighter jams (if he actually has any hands that he can jam lighter on this flop) maybe he might jam JT or something if you bet small but we're being optimistic now. I think either not 3betting/3betting much smaller to try induce some sort of preflop spazz out or just jamming preflop might be the better lines - jamming pre makes you're hand look a lot like Ax or 66/77 that stuff like 88-TT + AJ/Kq might flick a call in. you're line in this hand really does manipulate his range negatively imo and makes the top of his range much easier to play for value and the bottom kinda easy to fold. |