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Title: Lost out again
Post by: pez on April 29, 2011, 05:06:13 AM
Heres what happened tonight on pokerstars $1 buy in, over 3000 runners.

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 209 hands and saw flop:
 - 9 out of 25 times while in big blind (36%)
 - 4 out of 25 times while in small blind (16%)
 - 9 out of 159 times in other positions (5%)
 - a total of 22 out of 209 (10%)
 Pots won at showdown - 6 of 7 (85%)
 Pots won without showdown - 27
 
 
Lost out again .....
 
Deep into tourney, blinds 8500/17000  ante 2125
 
208,000 chips and currnetly in 18th position out of 23 left.
 
Me  SB  (KK) 2 limpers, i raise to 85,000 BB folds, one limper also folds, one left who called.
 
 
Flop  2D 3D 10H  Me All In for 132,074 he calls (pot now 485,148
 
 Both turn cards over and he shows 10C QC (im happy with that)
 
Turn 10D  River 4H  and im out!
 
5hrs 53mins and i get a return of $8.67 for a $1 buy in.
 
Every hand i played i won, until the last one, just pisses me off when i get so far into a game only to be donked out by some bloody idiot that thinks Q 10 is a great hand!


Forgot to ask,  did i play the hand correctly or should i have played any different?



Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: tikay on April 29, 2011, 05:28:39 AM

Perry,

You said......

just pisses me off when i get so far into a game only to be donked out by some bloody idiot that thinks Q 10 is a great hand!

That's unlucky, but your thinking is completely wrong here, & you need to adjust it.

Pre-Flop, and Post-Flop, you win that coup more than 8 times out of 10, or 80 times out of every 100 times it happens. It does not get any better for you than 80-10, it's a wonderful situation for you.

Don't ever complain about losing 1 time in 5, just embrace the fact that you win it 4 times in 5.

We should not be troubled when he wins 1 time in 5, on the contrary, we should be happy he wants to get it in so bad.

Only poker players would ever complain about opponents who are "idiots"!

What do you want, 100% - 0% clashes? It ain't ever gonna happen. Ever.

80-20 is a thing of beauty. Have it's babies.


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on April 29, 2011, 05:42:49 AM
Tikay,

I wouldnt mind so much if it was early into a game, yeah we all hate donks that knock us out, but it happens.

What got me wound up was that it was late into the game, almost 6hrs and just about to go on another break, he was a little higher chipped than me, but obv with the bet i put in, it must have said something to him???

I wanted a caller pre flop obv, but after the flop did he REALY think he was ahead?


I know i cant win every hand every time, if i could do that i wouldn't be playing $1 tourneys!  lol


Im over it now, had a coffee and a ciggie, now thinking of a small sng to finish the session off.




Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: MC on April 29, 2011, 07:13:30 AM
just pisses me off when i get so far into a game only to be donked out by some bloody idiot that thinks Q 10 is a great hand!

1. You expect the average $1 buy-in player to be good?

2. Shouldn't you want them to be bad, doesn't that mean you have more chance of winning?


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: smashedagain on April 29, 2011, 07:55:09 AM
just pisses me off when i get so far into a game only to be donked out by some bloody idiot that thinks Q 10 is a great hand!

1. You expect the average $1 buy-in player to be good?

2. Shouldn't you want them to be bad, doesn't that mean you have more chance of winning?
dont know about the average player but is the best $1 player gonna be any good?


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 29, 2011, 11:43:15 AM
I like the way you played it. bet big on the flop to represent ACE-PICTURE and found some chump wanting to put all his money in with 1 pair....

I think since people have seen "top players" betting all there chips with 1 pairs and high cards just plain gambling it up playing bingo not real poker, moving all in with T4 offuits pre flop and things, people wanna emulate them and start making these ridiculous plays.

I blame the "top pro's" they dont realise how they affect the smaller games.


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on April 29, 2011, 12:08:49 PM
I like the way you played it. bet big on the flop to represent ACE-PICTURE and found some chump wanting to put all his money in with 1 pair....

I think since people have seen "top players" betting all there chips with 1 pairs and high cards just plain gambling it up playing bingo not real poker, moving all in with T4 offuits pre flop and things, people wanna emulate them and start making these ridiculous plays.

I blame the "top pro's" they dont realise how they affect the smaller games.

 i played a VERY tight game, every hand i played i won, exept the last one obv, 27 pots won without showdown, and 6 out of 7 when going all the way to river, surely the stats say i was not just betting on ACE PICTURE as you post, i am not saying im the worlds best player, but for obv reasons i only play low $$$ games, shame as if this was the sunday million i would be quite well off now  :)

Thanks for the comments so far guys  :)


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: mouth on April 29, 2011, 12:49:33 PM
I like the way you played it. bet big on the flop to represent ACE-PICTURE and found some chump wanting to put all his money in with 1 pair....

I think since people have seen "top players" betting all there chips with 1 pairs and high cards just plain gambling it up playing bingo not real poker, moving all in with T4 offuits pre flop and things, people wanna emulate them and start making these ridiculous plays.

I blame the "top pro's" they dont realise how they affect the smaller games.

I love this. I like you. Don't be scared, it's purely platonic.


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: smashedagain on April 29, 2011, 01:41:34 PM
I like the way you played it. bet big on the flop to represent ACE-PICTURE and found some chump wanting to put all his money in with 1 pair....

I think since people have seen "top players" betting all there chips with 1 pairs and high cards just plain gambling it up playing bingo not real poker, moving all in with T4 offuits pre flop and things, people wanna emulate them and start making these ridiculous plays.

I blame the "top pro's" they dont realise how they affect the smaller games.
pmsl dave.


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: LOJ on April 29, 2011, 01:42:45 PM


50p on its way.....


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: mouth on April 29, 2011, 01:52:58 PM


50p on its way.....

I'm willing to join in the fund. One dollar for every $1 tourny he wins over a 24 hour period. As long as he doesn't post his hand analysis.


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on April 29, 2011, 01:57:48 PM
Ok  i get it.....  i just thought this was the correct thread to speak about such issues?  lol

I only play micro tourneys due to the fact that i do not have the funds to play top games like $100 buy ins etc, some of you are more suited to them than me, but for now thats my budget :)

Please keep the posts coming... making me laugh now and i needed cheering up after losing the game :)

BTW  the top prize was just short of $550 which to me IS a lot of money


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: the sicilian on April 29, 2011, 02:08:21 PM
Why are you not jamming pre with 12bb and picking up 30% of your stack pre with no chance of random peeling for an ace
The fact he limp called with effective 15bb shows his a class player
you will jam any non high flop after putting in 40% of your stack
you will get called by the above class player when he hits top pair
You should be pleased when he does
Its a $1 tourney what do you expect ?
Thats poker....


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: WPIL on April 29, 2011, 02:14:55 PM
- a total of 22 out of 209 (10%)
Not playing enough hands?

WP Pez - you outlasted 99% of the field


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on April 29, 2011, 02:26:36 PM
- a total of 22 out of 209 (10%)
Not playing enough hands?

WP Pez - you outlasted 99% of the field


Thanks, the reason i olny played 22 out of 209 hands are because i dont play rag, I.E. J K / Q J 10 Q etc.......

Approx 18 of the hands i played was a pair, with the exeption of position play on the blinds, the worst hand i played was A 8 and a 2.2 raise with an unopened pot was enough to get the blinds at that point in the game.


I dont think i played a bad game, still learning position play etc so please dont knock me down too hard for playing a $1 game  :)



Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: h on April 29, 2011, 03:35:58 PM
i don't think it matters if  this is a $1 or $100 buy in
it happens

the question is did you want a call

yes then happy days

got what you wanted

with so few left then a decent stack to use to go onto win if it holds ?

so wp gg ul


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on April 29, 2011, 03:46:46 PM
Thanks H

I suppose the only answer is yes, i did want the caller, obv with my KK i though it was good enough to DU from him and then give me plenty enough chips for FT, alas he hit a set and got lucky, he took my chips and went on to come 11th by donking with A 3 off suit on a 9 Q 7 flop and lost to a set of Q's.

Anyway, the point of my original post was not about a bad beat, i was asking if i played the hand correctly by shoving in that situation.

Plenty of posts though   :)


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: the sicilian on April 29, 2011, 06:54:31 PM
Thanks H

I suppose the only answer is yes, i did want the caller, obv with my KK i though it was good enough to DU from him and then give me plenty enough chips for FT, alas he hit a set and got lucky, he took my chips and went on to come 11th by donking with A 3 off suit on a 9 Q 7 flop and lost to a set of Q's.

Anyway, the point of my original post was not about a bad beat, i was asking if i played the hand correctly by shoving in that situation.

Plenty of posts though   :)


TBH no... with 12bb u should shove pre..with the rr he has to call 65 into 145..... dont give him the option with your stack..pick up the dead money or fist pump when he calls off pre...


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: Royal Flush on April 29, 2011, 07:13:57 PM
In short you are playing way to tight, you are going to lose money playing this tight but at least you will lose it slowly :D


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: TommyD on April 29, 2011, 11:49:18 PM
Regarding the hand, shove pre all day long.  Two limps, the blinds and antes is a decent scoop at this stage and if they call usually it's happy days.

Regarding the timing of this, had and seen so much worse Sir TBH.  Yeah they punch you in the gut but you dust yourself off and click reg for the next one.

Regarding your tightness, I don't want to dismantle your game, but I suggest you look for open steal and reshove steel spots much more.  Remember if no one calls you might as well not have any cards yourself.  You don't have to commit your tournament on these and certainly don't over do it, but if other people are paying attention to your style and VPIP (although sadly not all do) you have a cast iron image to go on a steal spree in the mid to late stages.


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on April 30, 2011, 03:43:58 PM
In short you are playing way to tight, you are going to lose money playing this tight but at least you will lose it slowly :D



Thank you for your input, i have not been playing long as a serious tourney player, hense the low levels that i play but any comments from such a high profile player such as yourself will certainly be respected.



Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 30, 2011, 09:34:34 PM
In short you are playing way to tight, you are going to lose money playing this tight but at least you will lose it slowly :D



Thank you for your input, i have not been playing long as a serious tourney player, hense the low levels that i play but any comments from such a high profile player such as yourself will certainly be respected.



believed it all till this


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 30, 2011, 09:45:01 PM
ZOMG

I was sure this was Matt Perrins on a level....


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on April 30, 2011, 10:08:08 PM
OBVIOUSLY your a donk player?

No respect for anyone exept yourself, get over yourself pal, you might be a big player, but obviously have no respect for anyone playing micro limit games!

I posted a comment that i respect a player, and you come along and post CRAP.

Oh well, i feel a ban coming along very soon now.


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on April 30, 2011, 10:34:40 PM
In short you are playing way to tight, you are going to lose money playing this tight but at least you will lose it slowly :D



Thank you for your input, i have not been playing long as a serious tourney player, hense the low levels that i play but any comments from such a high profile player such as yourself will certainly be respected.



believed it all till this



The comment shows i have respect for bigger players than myself, maybe if you were to concentrate more on your poker rather than make silly comments on peoples posts then you might win more than your lifetime $33k

Poor results i think.


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: WPIL on April 30, 2011, 10:39:08 PM
pez??
 2h


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 01, 2011, 12:33:26 PM
The comment shows i have respect for bigger players than myself, maybe if you were to concentrate more on your poker rather than make silly comments on peoples posts then you might win more than your lifetime $33k

Poor results i think.

Say what? more than $33k? where you getting these numbers from??!! I thought you were someone else so was making a joke you would get if you were him but you aren't lol

This has all gotten weird...Im confused :s


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on May 01, 2011, 12:43:20 PM
OK... if a joke then i will openly say sorry here, but i thought it was in bad taste, im a new member here, and just want to get some poker feedback as my game obv need to be improved.

I got your stats from google......



Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 01, 2011, 01:02:36 PM
OK... if a joke then i will openly say sorry here, but i thought it was in bad taste, im a new member here, and just want to get some poker feedback as my game obv need to be improved.

I got your stats from google......


Ok yh I apologise also if you got offened, basically one of my best friends user on here is pez102 (he posts rarely as well) and some of the things you said, completely by coincidence as it seems made me think it was him winding flushy up. So yh sorry about that was a genuine mistake

would be pretty nice to be $33k in profit from donkaments lifetime, would have about $32,674.50 more than i do atm


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: pez on May 01, 2011, 01:47:20 PM
lol no problems  :)

I must have got you mixedyp with another player of the same name on google?

Hope you can forgive....  im just a little peed off with myself for donking out of so many games over the last few days, just need that one cash injection to help me back along the roads to riches!



Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 01, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
lol no problems  :)

I must have got you mixedyp with another player of the same name on google?

Hope you can forgive....  im just a little peed off with myself for donking out of so many games over the last few days, just need that one cash injection to help me back along the roads to riches!

No, you were prolly looking at my stats, but dont believe everything you see with this kind of stuff :p

ofc mate, mis-understanding, happens.

glgl


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: Sue Bean on May 02, 2011, 01:01:18 AM
OBVIOUSLY your a donk player?

No respect for anyone exept yourself, get over yourself pal, you might be a big player, but obviously have no respect for anyone playing micro limit games!

I posted a comment that i respect a player, and you come along and post CRAP.

Oh well, i feel a ban coming along very soon now.


Well said young man!


Title: Re: Lost out again
Post by: smashedagain on May 02, 2011, 08:53:46 AM
OBVIOUSLY your a donk player?

No respect for anyone exept yourself, get over yourself pal, you might be a big player, but obviously have no respect for anyone playing micro limit games!

I posted a comment that i respect a player, and you come along and post CRAP.

Oh well, i feel a ban coming along very soon now.

+1 yes dave you donk. link us to your hendonmob ;)

Well said young man!