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£20 live game at Circus Liverpool, 54 runners, £1k guaranteed
Down to 20 odd with blinds 1000/2000, ante 300    -   Ave stack 34k.       8 on table
Me seat 6, villain seat 1, both have circa 75k chips and I just took 23k off villain on last hand
caller seat 8. villain calls. I raise to 6k all others fold, seat 8 folds, villain calls
I have  Js Jh
Flop  2s 4s 8h
Villain checks
I bet 10k

villain thinks for 10 secs then shoves all in & I snap call
sharp intake of breath all round table as pot is 170k ish
villain showing  8s 5s
Turn comes  Th
River is  Qs
He punches the air with delight

I have villain covered by only 400 chips and go out (obviously) next hand. I said "I knew you were fishing for flush, lucky sod " and he gets affronted, stating he had more outs than he could count. I think it was rank bad play and the only way I could have avoided it was to shove all in post flop.
Comments please?

I make it more pre with 2 limpers (if i am reading this right), 9kish.

Post flop is uber standard with these two hands imo, villains pre flop is obv not great.

your asking the wrong questions, r.e this hand imo, you should ask yourself,

Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Or asked the grinning bobcat why he grinned?
Can you sing with all the voices of the mountains?
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind?

Postflop is fine by villain.  I don't like his limp preflop but the call of your raise when seat 8 has folded is okay.  Ultimately he has top pair and a flush draw on a very dry board so at very worst he probably has nine outs if he is behind and quite possibly 14 outs.  He also beats all bluffs and semi bluffs by you if he doesn't improve.  He probably can't paint with all the colours of the wind though so i would have snapcalled too.

^this

But a bigger raise by me preflop would probably not have got any action. Do i want the callers or jus steal blinds n antes? Obviously now i know the answer :) but i am looking for a way to improve my play for the future......

Would you fold to your cbet?

As said, he's beating all your A highs and picture combos. I'd have shoved on you too. It's pretty much a flip. 47-53.

Pre I'd make it nearer 10/11k pre, 3k blinds + 2.4k antes + 4k limps is 9.4k in the pot already will increase your stack nicely if everyone folds.

How did you know he was fishing for a flush?

Well there was 2 spades on the first 3 community cards.

That's like your girlfriend saying she knows you're cheating on her because two out of the three people you work with are women. Quite unreasonable but possible.

if you think about it...

The possibility of being dealt two suited cards is 23.3%, and the probability of flopping a FLUSH  DRAW is 11%.

So, tbh it's all pretty improbable ;)

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the best hand preflop always won....?

We,d need to make a new name up though...cos it ain't poker..

As prev said in thread just make it more pre, anywhere btwn 8-10k sounds fine.

Villain is clearly appaulling, limp calling with 58std from his stack-well period-puke.

Don't worry that he was affronted, yes post is totally standard, but pre is obv a huge leak on his part.

Try not to educate the fish at the table, hopefully he won't go home wondering if he maybe shldnt limp call here.

We need this dead money in the game.

You have like 75k (37.5bbs) b4 the hand. If you make it a standard 9-10k pre(an extra blind for each limper added to your normal raise here is normal) yes you get less action but that's fine.

You pick up 9400 if all fold (4.7bbs) which increases your stack by almost 15%-certainly not a bad thing.

From the sound of it 58 donko dsnt fold anyway to the extra 3/4k-fish don't really understand bet sizing/stack sizes etc..

Yes we want some action from strong hands, but not too much action-surprised the first limper folded.

Nice to hear you're trying to improve your play for the future, just run better obv :)

disagree i think pre-flop is totally stnd from him. dont wanna raise your hand isnt strong enough, but nice to see a flop

lol mr level :)

hehe

thanks to all for the input.

Stronger pre is noted for future reference.

Not sure where howling at a blue moon or the probability of cheating on the missus fit into it - gosh, I have SOOOO much to learn about poker :)