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Playing the Sky Roller

£100 NLFO

Playing 9,000 at 100-200

Nicely above average

30 left, 6 paid

6 handed


UTG limps, 6,000. Quite limpy, weakish player

It's been an aggressive table, and I am out of position to two serial raisers

I find  Ahrt Kh and limp, part deception but mostly expecting a raise round the back and I'll stick it back up him. I should hate the limp, I do hate the limp but I had a strategy....

The button limps, sigh, he covers me with 11,000 (very non standard, first open limp I've seen in the 4 levels or so)

bb checks

4 way to

 Ad 9d 9c

UTG leads for 500, I call, button calls

 9s

UTG leads for 1,500. I call wanting to keep button in, he calls

river  Kc

UTG checks, I check intending to snap off the button, who will bet sensing weakness

He does bet, the button shoves for 8,000 into 6,000

How on earth do I fold here. No timebank, but in the time I have a strong gut feel I think he has the caseNine wanting to get called by the Ace. I call 2-3k say.

Please rip the hand apart and give me a better way of playing every street








 

Not sure about the limp pre (with one limper already before you) but as played I don't think you're folding to that shove.

No need to be gentle. give it to me. I have no shame in posting a complete butchering

Don't mind the limp.

Probably bet/fold or bet/call river. Now it's pretty tough. You're calling for a chop here at best

Don't fold at any stage.

hero folding is the new hero calling

Villain was "Offshoot". Who I think I know. Browndogg's brother?


I can make a career out of hero folding, sadly

Wish i could

no chirpy is bds bro.

but w/e offshoot is never bluffing ever really so muchos sigh.

Against an uknown villain go with not folding though.

i do a call

if hes got the  9 i remind myself to not limp ak 6 handed  valuable lesson imo

for what its worth i think he turns up with a weak ace a lot of time

I disagree.

I hate the limp. I'd rather isolate the fish with this hand than let a small pot go multiway.

zeebo innit

snap

Cossy it's never my default line but my image is probs different to tighty's. Him mixing up his limping range is probably a good idea with monkey's behind him

we also start hnad with 45 bbs and no antes.

not sure i like the limp but if you  have a plan i dont hate it

whats the plan if aggro behind raises and utg  re raises?

would much prefer to just iso the fish, going multi-way is not ideal, your equity decreases faster the wider the range of hands that enter and as people are getting "valued" in this isnt ideal. Also the "playability" of your hand is far greater if we're heads up vs a weak player.

River is gross, but im pretty sure its a fold given that pretty much no1 has AA/KK and whereas his preflop range includes plenty of viable 9's. 69s/79s/89/9T/j9/Q9s/K9s/A9 I think the amount of times he is just gonna jam an Ace here on like a "freeroll" bluff where he gets 1/2 if u call and 100% if you fold, whereas its true you're winning the pot hardly ever with the 6k, his 6k shove (i assume you only have 6k back?) and you're 6k you're calling 6k to win 3k when you're right such a hig % of the time

it sucks, but not that much

lol limp. tighty you are joke tez.

In a short-handed game with a good stack I think your default line should be aggressive with any hand you choose to play. I don't think you should be limping at all in this game so balancing your limping range shouldn't be of any concern. Balancing your raising range to include your premium hands is more profitable here imo. The principle of your deception plan is ok but the conditions are good to still trap the other players by appearing to iso a weak player's limp. As played call for a chop imo. Like to know wtf utg leads 1.5k on turn with? In fact you prob win this pot with just ace.

erm if we are getting zeebo'd, we should fold.

Don't think Offshoot overlimps the button with any Ace in his hand.
Still tough to  fold I guess.

seems like a pretty clear fold to me OTR.

Anybody bothered about what UTG has?

He's 'quite limpy, weakish', but has led both river and turn having limped in.

Why does he check the river having led flop and turn?

Oh, and Button knows he has to get his bet through two players when he shoves which makes it appear stronger to me. Hero fold I think

you have information and are expecting a raise behind. so the limp is perfectly fine big guy. the fact it dont come is a bit annoying but  shit happens. make the call and split the pot or at worse pay the 9 off. its no biggy. imo stick to slagging tez players off in blogs. no one can be better at that than you. alternatively you could call alan mansbridge to find out what the best thing to do was ;)

I didn't slag him off! Stop stirring, for once.

When we spoke on fb chat you slagged him off loads.

sorry. lets call it constuctive criticism then. so pleased you are in leeds and my good friend sharplea is covering dtd. is stirring the same as trolling then

someone will take that seriously

our fb chats go as follows

cos "Prewdentialist prewdentialisms"

Rich "Hi how can I help?"

cos "Prewdentialist, just wanted to say I love you"

Rich "and?"

cos "Prewster Prewbet Prewdent thats all"

Rich "thats all?"

cos "bye"

yes.

good luck at dtd.

wish i was a bit quicker here.... i never said you slagged him. i said stick to slagging tez players. alan aint tez imo only yours. must be your in security or guilty conscience making you assume i meant him. but i just spent an hour going over the thread and only counted 20 digs at mr mansbridge.
could you confirm if i am now trolling stirring or having a laugh. ;)

even if its only a laugh for me

dont hate any of it except a river call. nh ish.

Yeah he has a 9 here always

good post....did he tighty coz i know you had to call to find out?

I don't understand when you say you're calling the turn to keep the button in.  He's only continuing here with an Ace or a Nine.  Offshoot is aggressive but floating twice to take it away on the river with a bluff versus two opponents with that board is a little bit of a push even for him.

He's capable of betting an ace like this for exactly the reason that he should only have a nine and tries to make other aces fold.  Problem is he plays the nine exactly the same way.  Makes it a bit of a headache.

I probably call though just because I have to see the plan through to the end.  You're whole read was keep button in, check to button to snap him off on the river.  Just for your general game I think you have to pay this off and adjust your game on the result.

Does he? I mean, it feels like he does, but am a bit confused by the 'overbet' thing, isn't he effectively betting 6.8k into 6.9k, given hero starts the hand with 9k? And once UTG and hero have both checked, neither of them ever have a 9, and button has to have either an ace or a 9, so he should shove regardless, no..?

Pretty sure you can never call here anyway, but if you were considering it you'd be better shoving yourself, wouldn't you? Though I think it's still extremely hard here to find a scenario where shoving is profitable.

On a similar tack though, if you were considering calling a bet of 2-3k on river then aren't you better off bet-folding (to the button) 1.5k (or even slightly less)? Since that includes the 9 in your range, so he can't raise with the ace.