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This hand has been annoying me, but can't see that I played it badly at all - just checking it's OK really as a few people have said I could have got away from it but I don't see how.

Live Cash Game at Aspers in Swansea
Blinds are £1/£1 with $150 max sit down
My stack = £197
Opponents stack = >£200
Table is playing 8 handed with me in the Cut Off and my opponent in the BB

Read on opponent - He is quite loose and will call pretty light. I have been there for three hours and he has been at the table for all of that time. I have twice seen him lose his stack by calling down big bets with just top pair. He then won a big pot doing the same thing when somebody tried to bluff him off. He seems to like to call but I have not seen him make a raise and he is in a lot of pots. He is friendly and talking to everybody at the table.

My image = Very tight, I won one decent pot with TPTK and two smaller ones without showing. I think I called a raise once and folded to a c-bet, apart from that I have been folding.

In the hand in question there are three limper's ahead of me so I raise the pot to £10 with QdQh. The player described above calls and one other player (who seems a fairly solid player fwiw) also calls.

Flop = Qs-6s-3s

I think this is an excellent flop but I have to protect my hand (checks to me) so I bet out £30 into a pot of about £35. The player described above instantly goes allin for the rest of my stack. The other caller folds. I take a couple of seconds before calling and the guy does look pretty relaxed and happy with the situation. The pot is now effectively around £205 and it's costing me about £150 to call.

Can anybody find a fold here. If he does have the flush I have outs and almost have the correct odds to call anyway, if he has the bare As (and people do sometimes play flush draws this way) then I am a pretty big favorite. Anything else I am pretty massive against.

This is a really easy call right? Can I ever fold and how deep do I have to be before I start thinking about folding?

EDIT - corrected amount to call, to around £150

Easy call, he has the A spades sometimes, and when he has the made flush we just make the doubles and triples.

if he has a flush 100% of the time which he prolly does nearly as described then ur losing a bit of money on the call i think.

that being said, I would never ever fold in the described situation, never

Yes, you're calling here.  Maybe against the nittiest of players you might think about folding (and then still call), but you are often ahead and even if he has the flush you will win the hand about 35% of the time.

I think there is room for improvement here

I didn't like the bit where you "thought for a few seconds", I prefer a fist pump do a little jig  ;D

Sigh @ results orientated post.

let me get this right. in 3 hours you've only played one pot post flop? and in those same 3 hours he's only made one raise? and now you're finally putting money in the pot and he's making his first raise?

in your position I find a fold, the biggest clue is that the guy is probably wetting himself with excitement. once I've folded I go home and do something more interesting

but then I can't imagine I'd ever be in that position

Of having something interesting to do at home ?

lolz, yeah sadly

could of been having folded... but i thought the interesting thing at home also.

you played it how everyone else would. just unlucky in this situation.

There are players I could imagine folding here against but he doesn't sound like one of them.

Folding here would be a huge mistake imo

well if the guy's range is ENTIRELY flushes then calling would technically be a mistake.

obviously no1 ever folds tho.

someone once said on paul ho's thread that they could fold middle set on a dry flop to me. yeah right

Read about 2 lines presume someone has done the joke about a £1/£1 game with a $150 buy in?

If he has a flush and you called you could have played it better.

If he has the As and hit then no you couldnt have but ul he got there.

Is this what you wanted to hear?

yeh but its ridiculous to say that his range is entirely flushes. What does he do with middle or bottom set? or AsQx type hands?

Even if somehow he only has a flush here then it's not even that big of a mistake to call anyway.

its 150 to win 205 so you need to be 42% vs his range to call here.

This is given a fishy calling range pre, and just includes flushes and 66/33 and we're 46% here. So throw in any sort of  As Qc type hands and its not even close.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

  28,710  games     0.001 secs    28,710,000  games/sec

Board: Qs 6s 3s
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    46.604%     46.13%    00.47%             13245          135.00   { QdQh }
Hand 1:    53.396%     52.93%    00.47%             15195          135.00   { 66, 33, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KsQs, KsJs, KsTs, Ks9s, QsJs, QsTs, Qs9s, Qs8s, JsTs, Js9s, Js8s, Js7s, Ts9s, Ts8s, Ts7s, 9s8s, 9s7s, 9s6s, 8s7s, 8s6s, 8s5s, 7s6s, 7s5s }

need to take the  Qs combo's out of there :P


Player,Equity,Wins Hi,Ties Hi
QdQh,                                                        60.3597%,60.1530%,0.4132%
"As*, 33, 66, AsQc, 3s5s+, 3s4s+, K[7+]:ss",   39.6403%,39.4337%,0.4132%

Take out 33/66 and leave AsQ*...

Player,Equity,Wins Hi,Ties Hi
QdQh,                                     36.5720%,36.5720%,0.0000%
"AsQc, 3s5s+, 3s4s+, K[7+]:ss",  63.4280%,63.4280%,0.0000%

Take out everything but a flush

Player,Equity,Wins Hi,Ties Hi
QdQh,34.2424%,            34.2424%,0.0000%
"3s5s+, 3s4s+, K[7+]:ss", 65.7576%,65.7576%,0.0000%

No, that was probably just a typo.

damn it. that was my first time using pokerstove, i only just downloaded it so just getting to grips with it...

damm, we've lost alex to the dark side. well you can have him dave. i can rescue him once he turns 40 and wants to learn.
 ;starwars;

hey dave when do you set off for vegas.
sorry for wanking it into kimber. has he got something to do with the Firm... i heard they lost the only player worth wanking over. besides holden of course  ;)

Don't know what there was to think about in those 3 seconds you took before calling

Just to bring the thread back on track

OP - im pretty sure you know that this is just fairly cold, and you just wanted to check, which is fine - but if thats the case just post it up and check  - no need for paragraphs

I think we should draw an end to the flaming (of which I partook) as we dont want new people not to post

(OP - i think you go the brunt of many 50p threads posted of late - UL)

i prefer the paragraphs and descriptions and think its much better than the stars/tilt hands guy? not sure he got flamed and rod has 500+ posts so aint a newbie

sigh

I didnt say he was a newb - said didnt want people not to post

paragraphs are fine on hands that warrant it - this didnt

he got flamed

lol ok. i'm still new to flaming trolling etc.

Not to worried about getting flamed (I sort of expected to get told off for ROT, but I was not 100% sure thats what it was), the advice on the thread makes sense. So I probably was being results oriented but did convince myself I might have made a bad call. He had Ks-9s and the board was not kind enough to pair for me.

I can see that if I can narrow his range to being just a flash the call is marginal at best but I don't believe I am a good enough player to do this tbh and would be leveling myself all over the place, so probably best not worry about it. Most of the people posting on this thread would have called and they are better players than me :-)

Thanks for the advice guy's especially Alex and SuuPRlim for highlighting the hand ranges.

NP

Alex, get rid of poker stove and get odds oracle it is a billion times better. Same for everyone !

Jason dont apologise for what you said to Kimber to me I dont know jeff very well or have anything to do with him or care if he gets offened lol im sure he is more than capable of standing up for himself, and he isnt related to the firm afaik. lol @ worth wanking over you're a horrible man :P - Welcome to the dark side Alex where we make desicions based on actual facts as opposed to blind guessing and not even knowing how to process the information we've guessed ;)

happy to be here

Does the dark side have cookies?

blah blah blah. i'm more of a feel player than a maths player lol

Imagine if you had both? hendon mob would need more staff to keep up

think i may have to retire at the top dave...to many people wanna see me shot down in flames now lol...you know what they say. you make your own bed you have to lie in it... did i tell you Gosney won a donkament at sheff 2 week ago. i managed 2nd

all the "feel" in the world you're never gonna beat los :P

hey thats no fairy tale. quality all round