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Title: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: byronkincaid on January 03, 2006, 02:39:55 PM
I'm reading Ciaffone's NL and PL HE and a sentance in it reminded me of this hand.

Deauville last Feb mid way through the first day of the EPT and I might as well have a big sign over my head saying "internet qualifier" but I have had some great cards and my stack has grown to about 23K. I have only shown down premium hands. I have position on DB who is sat 2 seats to my right. He limps UTG and I find pocket queens so I raise it up 4 or 5 x BB and it's passed round to DB who calls. The flop comes down with low raggy cards but 2 of them are spades. Cool, I'm expecting DB to check and I'll put a big bet in to try to take this hand down. But DB slowly and carefully counts his stack and pushes it all in saying 19850 or something like that. I have him slightly covered but this is a big decision for me.

I think now that it is probably possible to put DB on an exact hand. What do think he's got?


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: ACE2M on January 03, 2006, 02:47:36 PM
KK


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: Royal Flush on January 03, 2006, 03:29:51 PM
AK spades?


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: TightEnd on January 03, 2006, 03:32:05 PM
AA/KK/Spades including A


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: ACE2M on January 03, 2006, 03:42:29 PM
I made pretty much the exact same play as this with the QJ of spades about a month ago in notts, so i will laugh if it is that.


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: ACE2M on January 03, 2006, 03:54:27 PM
The question is does he want you to call?

It's the greatest move in the book to overbet a monster when it comes off.

I'd like to know now if thats ok...


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 03, 2006, 04:11:37 PM
AK spades?

I agree. Surely he'd check-raise with KK or AA?


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: 12barblues on January 03, 2006, 04:16:22 PM
Ace rag suited, made pair + nut flush draw?


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: bundle on January 03, 2006, 04:25:54 PM
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Ace rag suited, made pair + nut flush draw?

 ;iagree; Top pair..nut flush draw


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: Longy on January 03, 2006, 04:37:22 PM
Im with flushy ak spades.


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: byronkincaid on January 03, 2006, 04:53:35 PM
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Knowing when to overbet the pot and move all-in is very important at no-limit. The big draw out-of-position is one common situation

Bob Ciaffone

I mucked my queens face down and he said in a surprised voice "no big pair this time?" I told him what I had and asked him to show his hand. He turned one over - the As. I'm 99% sure he had AK spades here. If he had aces then surely he would have check raised. I think it's possible that DB had me on my exact hand. My friend who is a lot better poker player than me says it's an easy call. I still think I was right to pass. I can't remember if I had the Qs or not.

Board: 7c 5s 2s

           equity (%)     win (%)   tie (%)
Hand  1:   47.6820 %     47.68%    00.00%      { QdQs }
Hand  2:   52.3180 %     52.32%    00.00%      { AsKs }


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Board: 7c 5s 2s

           equity (%)     win (%)   tie (%)
Hand  1:   44.9547 %     45.03%    00.00%      { QcQd }
Hand  2:   55.0453 %     55.14%    00.00%      { AsKs }




Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: TightEnd on January 03, 2006, 05:20:16 PM
at that stage in the tournament, nice read and nice pass


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: byronkincaid on January 03, 2006, 07:18:03 PM
no read at the time, just blind panic.


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: tikay on January 04, 2006, 03:43:33 AM

I think we may have been on the same table Byron.

DB arived at my tabl;e, & he just mesmerised me. He's really some player. He plays the big cash game in the Aviation Club. I sat & watched him one night for about 3 hours. He's really something special.


Title: Re: Put David Benyamine on a Hand
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 04, 2006, 05:02:21 PM
I'm reading Ciaffone's NL and PL HE and a sentance in it reminded me of this hand.

Deauville last Feb mid way through the first day of the EPT and I might as well have a big sign over my head saying "internet qualifier" but I have had some great cards and my stack has grown to about 23K. I have only shown down premium hands. I have position on DB who is sat 2 seats to my right. He limps UTG and I find pocket queens so I raise it up 4 or 5 x BB and it's passed round to DB who calls. The flop comes down with low raggy cards but 2 of them are spades. Cool, I'm expecting DB to check and I'll put a big bet in to try to take this hand down. But DB slowly and carefully counts his stack and pushes it all in saying 19850 or something like that. I have him slightly covered but this is a big decision for me.

I think now that it is probably possible to put DB on an exact hand. What do think he's got?

Okay, I'm gonna give this a crack without reading the other comments.

Firstly, it's tricky cos we don't the size of the blinds.

Assuming the blinds are around average for the two stacks, I'd put him on aces. He want all of your chips, but is doesn't want to give a free card to a potential flush draw.

He knows, as a tight player, if he check raises you, you might pass believing he has made a small set.

Also, he's gambling on you having an overpair and paying him off. His all-in doesn't look like it would beat a hand like QQ or JJ, and with the flush draw, it could be made to look like a semi-bluff which would receive a call.

If he's seen you play premium hands only, then he probably thinks that there is a good chance that you have JJ, QQ, or KK. Therefore, he reckons there's a good chance that his all-in will be called.

My only gripe is that it's the amateurs that tend to flatcall aces under the gun. The pros, who tend to play looser and more agressive, seem to raise with the hand expecting action.