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Title: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: TightEnd on January 03, 2006, 04:11:46 PM
Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Baby Face 4915071-6916 Holdem No Limit $2/$4
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Hand Start.
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Seat 1 : marauder23 has $246.50
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Seat 2 : Tight End has $302.25
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Seat 4 : JWCeltic has $425.12
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Seat 5 : badbeater04 has $1,372.41
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Seat 8 : bj1916 has $245.51
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Seat 9 : hit-the-pin has $258.99
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : badbeater04 is the dealer.
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : bj1916 posted small blind.
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : hit-the-pin posted big blind.
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Game [6916] started with 6 players.
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : Seat 2 : Tight End has Qs Qh
[Jan 3 16:03:33] : marauder23 called $4
[Jan 3 16:03:38] : Tight End called $4 and raised $8
[Jan 3 16:03:38] : JWCeltic folded.
[Jan 3 16:03:39] : badbeater04 folded.
[Jan 3 16:03:52] : bj1916 folded.
[Jan 3 16:03:52] : hit-the-pin called $8
[Jan 3 16:03:52] : marauder23 called $8
[Jan 3 16:03:52] : Dealing flop.
[Jan 3 16:03:52] : Board cards [Td Qc 9h]
[Jan 3 16:03:53] : hit-the-pin checked.
[Jan 3 16:03:56] : marauder23 checked.
[Jan 3 16:04:01] : Tight End bet $16
[Jan 3 16:04:02] : hit-the-pin folded.
[Jan 3 16:04:02] : marauder23 called $16
[Jan 3 16:04:03] : Dealing turn.
[Jan 3 16:04:03] : Board cards [Td Qc 9h Ad]
[Jan 3 16:04:08] : marauder23 bet $32
[Jan 3 16:04:18] : Tight End does what please?


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 03, 2006, 04:17:27 PM
I'd have raised more preflop.

Raise to $80 and hope he doesn't have KJ. He could easily have AT or A9 here either.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: ACE2M on January 03, 2006, 04:20:06 PM
i over raise the pot to $140. Just to make sure he pays over the odds for the draw or average hand i think he is on.

I am rubbish at ring games tho.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: SupaMonkey on January 03, 2006, 04:37:58 PM
I would be very worried that he has check called you twice and he is utg. He has now bet into when an ace has fallen so i am asking myself if he has bet because i raised preflop and he thinks i hold an ace (so i put him on trips) or is he playing his hand. I can't see him playin trips like this unless he has aces but even then, to switch from slow playing aces to now playin them seems odd (although it is possible now that an inside straight and flush draw are on the board).

I think he is just playin his hand. Probably has A-10 or something. Because you have been raising all the way through i now just call so that he thinks it is weakness. Raise his bet on the end.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: Highstack on January 03, 2006, 04:40:54 PM
If my calculations are right there is now 100 in the pot and to get level with him 32 more makes 132. Therefore depending on what you put him on, I want to keep him in the hand without murdering cash. I am putting him on the made straight or more likely AJ so he has top pair and an open ended straight.

I minimum raise in position here to 64. This will do two things. If the river fills my boat, he will probably not believe it as I min raised the turn and he will pay me. If the river is a brick and he holds teh nut straight, he will check to my raise expecting me to lead out on the river. I of course won't do this and will now check behind him and showdown to see if my QQQ was good.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: bundle on January 03, 2006, 04:41:44 PM
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Tight End does what please?
  By the look of that board shite himself i would imagine.

well i would think you slung in a raise there, surely if he had the KJ or J8 he would check raise you. I have him on AT. And i think he has you on AK.

 This is the first time he has bet out, I would think he does'nt like the look of the board now any more than you do..


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: Longy on January 03, 2006, 04:42:35 PM
You have to raise imo. Raise it up to 100. I think you have the best hand at the moment but you hand is vunerable on this board, straight and flush draws out there plus a possibly 2 pair. If he has kj there is now way you are putting this down and you have outs against his straight. Please don't tell me he has aces i might be sick.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: TightEnd on January 03, 2006, 04:45:21 PM
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Tight End does what please?
  By the look of that board shite himself i would imagine.



 :D all in a days work!!!


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: SupaMonkey on January 03, 2006, 04:46:01 PM
In response to the posts above, surely you are only scared of a king falling on the end?

Edit: or an ace of course


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 03, 2006, 04:56:10 PM
Id' raise to determine the strength of your hand.

You can't let a draw hit a cheap card.

I do smell KJ though. Could be a definite possibility, but you can't play in fear.

But even then, apart from a slowplay with aces, this is the only hand that has you beat, so don't worry too much. You can still outdraw a straight, plus he could have lower trips or two pair and pay you off. If he has aces, then that's just the way it goes, but I suspect he would have raised somewhere down the line with that hand.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: bundle on January 03, 2006, 05:06:46 PM
how wonderful it is to have an hour or so to ponder this hand, when tighty must have had to do this in about 45 sec. You must have raised him there, If only to see where you stand. I can't put him on AA here, I think tighty would have seen a check raise when he bet on the flop. I still got him on AT. But WTF do i know, i'm a fish


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: TightEnd on January 03, 2006, 05:08:33 PM
[Jan 3 16:04:03] : Board cards [Td Qc 9h Ad]
[Jan 3 16:04:08] : marauder23 bet $32
[Jan 3 16:04:18] : Tight End called $32 and raised $64
[Jan 3 16:04:20] : marauder23 called $64
[Jan 3 16:04:21] : Dealing river.


I think I'm beat, I need the board to pair up


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: peeveen on January 03, 2006, 05:16:09 PM
On the flop, his check-call indicated a draw.
On the turn, his play indicated he had made something, I suspect pair of aces or two pair. I would think JK would be played more aggressively.
I'd have done exactly the same as you have done. Dying to know how it ends.  :D


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: ACE2M on January 03, 2006, 05:17:45 PM
I don't like the amount of your raise tight, would you have laid it down to a re raise? You have provided the pot odds for him to draw to a hand.




Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: TightEnd on January 03, 2006, 05:19:03 PM
welcome along Peeveen  :hello:


Ace, you want a significant over bet here then? I may already be beat


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: bundle on January 03, 2006, 05:21:51 PM
Well I think you cleaned him out when the river came a T, Giving him Tens full of aces.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: ACE2M on January 03, 2006, 05:23:01 PM
I'm not saying you should or shouldn't make an overbet, i just don't think you gathered any info with the raise and there are so many cards that are going to look awful to you on the river.

As previously stated i suck at cash so my comments are just feeble pokes at cash strategy.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 03, 2006, 05:25:12 PM
I'd bet more than that too. Doubling his bet doesn't give you enough information.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: TightEnd on January 03, 2006, 05:26:21 PM
the moral of the story is coming Snoops!


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: bundle on January 03, 2006, 05:29:51 PM
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the moral of the story is coming Snoops!

Oh Dear, now that don't look like the happy ending i was hoping for.. I don't think i want to know now  ;scarymoment;


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: TightEnd on January 03, 2006, 05:49:31 PM
: Board cards [Td Qc 9h Ad Ac]
[Jan 3 16:04:26] : marauder23 bet $122.50 and is All-in
[Jan 3 16:04:32] : Tight End called $122.50
[Jan 3 16:04:32] : Showdown!
[Jan 3 16:04:32] : Seat 2 : Tight End has Qs Qh
[Jan 3 16:04:34] : Seat 1 : marauder23 has Kc Tc
[Jan 3 16:04:34] : marauder23 has Two Pair: Aces and 10s
[Jan 3 16:04:34] : Seat 2 : Tight End has Qs Qh
[Jan 3 16:04:34] : Tight End has Full House : Queens full of Aces
[Jan 3 16:04:34] : Tight End wins $504 with Full House : Queens full of Aces
[Jan 3 16:04:44] : Hand is over.



I was talking to Snoopy yesterday about the high incidence of missed draw bets he sees on the river.

This ones for him.


Title: Re: Top set, play the turn for me
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 03, 2006, 06:00:20 PM
sheesh.

That guy's a mug.  :D