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Full Tilt Poker Game #31101193553: $1 + $0.10 Multi-Rush OD (241501787), Table 72 - 170/340 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:33:42 ET - 2011/06/17
Seat 1: vcobo22 (15,302)
Seat 2: Davis16 (7,550)
Seat 3: Routeus66 (17,043)
Seat 4: gabrielahunts (22,605)
Seat 5: lia_faladora (19,760)
Seat 6: JamieKay123 (15,580)
Seat 7: LORDSOTH (13,693)
Seat 8: adnaj25 (11,600)
Seat 9: cosmin_d72 (6,447)
vcobo22 antes 25
Davis16 antes 25
Routeus66 antes 25
gabrielahunts antes 25
lia_faladora antes 25
JamieKay123 antes 25
LORDSOTH antes 25
adnaj25 antes 25
cosmin_d72 antes 25
Davis16 posts the small blind of 170
Routeus66 posts the big blind of 340
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JamieKay123 [9c 9d]
gabrielahunts folds
lia_faladora folds
JamieKay123 raises to 850
LORDSOTH folds
adnaj25 folds
cosmin_d72 folds
vcobo22 folds
Davis16 folds
Routeus66 calls 510
*** FLOP *** [9s 2h 8s]
Routeus66 bets 1,020
JamieKay123 calls 1,020
*** TURN *** [9s 2h 8s] [7d]
Routeus66 bets 1,020
JamieKay123 raises to 2,500
Routeus66 calls 1,480
*** RIVER *** [9s 2h 8s 7d] [6d]
Routeus66 has 15 seconds left to act
Routeus66 bets 1,700
JamieKay123 ???



Do we like line until here?

2895 on flop.

Shove turn?

u need to be raiseing turn or flop either is good probs flop better so u can jam any turn

defs reraise on flop, don't be scared he's never folding

Get more money in on the flop + turn

as played call river

ya i'd raise flop he very often has a piece of the board when he leads this texture and there are a ton of draws/action killers on the turn so we do need to protect/get value now.

It's a $1 rush turbo. Nobody folds any kind of a sniff of a hand and there's no real thinking going on.

If he's got a big flush draw he'll get it in on the flop.

If he's got a decent made hand he'll get it in on the flop to protect against a flush draw.

Unless he's got a total airball he ain't folding so just raise flop and look to get it in asap.

As played raise more on turn. Looks like he's trying to buy a cheap card but he won't mind paying a lot more for it.

Tbh, I know I butchered the hand up to this point. Could have got it all in on the flop and turn if Id played it anything like right.

This hand is pretty stupid and basic really, mainly wondered if I can get more value on river. Been really getting myself into knots on these kind of rivers where Iv not played the hand well to that point. I keep trying to extract when Im beat and flatting when I can get value.

As a loose rule, as played in this hand, do we just flat incase he has something like 9T or do we jam for value?

As a loose rule if you can think of a few hands that he might possibly have that are worse than yours that he might possibly call with then you can consider raising for value.

In this case that doesn't apply.

If you want to get funky you could raise to induce a bluff but at the $1 level I can't see that working out too well.

I understand that concept of value raising Matt, thanks :P. I guess I didnt really word the question well.

On rivers where villain has bet 3 streets into a 4 straight river, do we generally have to give him a polarized value range of mostly pairs that turned into straights (9T in this case) and just sigh flat, or do we take into account that theyve bet 3 streets and more likely are trying to value bet sets/2 pair (in this case, he had 88).

I know this is very situational and villain dependant, but just looking for a loose idea on other peoples opinions

Don't go giving too much credit in this spot. It's a $1 rush turbo.

He isn't capable of making a value bet with 2 pair.

He can see that there's a straight out there and either he's got it or he'll think you'll have it.

Don't value raise here.

Like you say it's very situational and pretty much impossible to answer correctly.

Even if he's value bet do you think he's calling your shove with worse?

Against a thinking player then you can get up to some funky tricks because he might be as well but I wouldn't even consider it in this comp.

Fair enough mate. Answered my point as well so cheers