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Title: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: TightEnd on June 22, 2011, 12:51:55 PM 6 left on the final of a Live MTT
All in the money 500,350,240,140,100,80 are the payouts 587k in play We are in the big blind at 3-6k/500 and 80,000 UTG playing 65,000 shoves Experienced and aware player, just been bad-beated down from 180,000 Small blind playing 75,000 calls. What makes this interesting is the small blind is a complete newbie and makes lots of unorthodox calls (rarely raises) We look at 9h 9s We pass they turn over..... thoughts on the pass. Standard Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: smashedagain on June 22, 2011, 12:57:53 PM as long as you folded face down and kept it to yourself then fine. could easily have the best hand here but 3 way you aint massive fav. only concern is with all crap shoots like these is are you gonna get a better spot.
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: pleno1 on June 22, 2011, 01:01:39 PM other stack sizes? next blind level/when is it going up? SB snap call or tank?
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: outragous76 on June 22, 2011, 01:21:43 PM Probs a fold, equity is pretty bad 3 way!
Shover AJ caller difficult to say given your reads, but if it involves overs, your not in good shape Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: DMorgan on June 22, 2011, 02:10:52 PM Probably fold here but I wouldn't tell anyone
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Ironside on June 22, 2011, 02:18:19 PM I would shove and pray for a treble up as there isn't a good money jump till 4-3 it might be your best spot to put yourself in with a winning chance
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Solaris on June 22, 2011, 02:19:30 PM Where is/are the other stack(s) and how much do they have?
You might be ahead here, but it's a pretty easy fold given ICM considerations etc. I'd much and not think twice about it. Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: TightEnd on June 22, 2011, 02:21:48 PM other stack sizes? next blind level/when is it going up? SB snap call or tank? 3 big stacks, then us three in this hand next blinds are 4-8k in 10 minutes time sb quick think, then acts my concern in folding was equity versus probably 3 overcards, if I am lucky two overs in one spot and an underpair in the other..but felt overs more likely Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: TightEnd on June 22, 2011, 02:25:09 PM Other three stacks 150k, 120k, 120k ish
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: EvilPie on June 22, 2011, 02:25:30 PM Pretty easy fold.
I probably call though just for japes. Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Solaris on June 22, 2011, 02:28:37 PM I can't read. :(
Other three stacks 150k, 120k, 120k ish Nobody is deep enough that it makes this a call. You're one double up from the chip lead. Its an auto-fold without thinking about it. Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: George2Loose on June 22, 2011, 04:37:00 PM Nines never lose.
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: pleno1 on June 22, 2011, 04:45:04 PM my calculator sais we're 38% fwiw
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: bhoywonder on June 22, 2011, 04:45:11 PM I find a fold
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: MC on June 22, 2011, 04:45:32 PM Yeah fold, but must be fairly close as I'm jamming TT methinks
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: outragous76 on June 22, 2011, 05:05:09 PM Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Ironside on June 22, 2011, 05:08:55 PM my calculator sais we're 38% fwiw Getting around 2-1 for a 6/4 shot I am still edging on trying for the win and shoving Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: outragous76 on June 22, 2011, 05:11:52 PM wow - yeah maybe its not terrible!
Im still folding but the numbers look close (widish ranges) Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 22,069,139,400 games 23.568 secs 936,402,724 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 36.799% 36.32% 00.48% 8015938574 105358556.67 { 9h9s } Hand 1: 26.906% 25.82% 01.09% 5698298260 239635187.67 { JJ-22, ATs+, ATo+ } Hand 2: 36.295% 35.21% 01.09% 7769632306 240276515.67 { 77+, ATs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, ATo+, KQo, QJo, JTo } Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Ironside on June 22, 2011, 05:20:46 PM A lot of live players see any pair and call as they know they are beating AK, so I would remove jto hands but factor 22+
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Solaris on June 22, 2011, 05:20:52 PM wow - yeah maybe its not terrible! Im still folding but the numbers look close (widish ranges) Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 22,069,139,400 games 23.568 secs 936,402,724 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 36.799% 36.32% 00.48% 8015938574 105358556.67 { 9h9s } Hand 1: 26.906% 25.82% 01.09% 5698298260 239635187.67 { JJ-22, ATs+, ATo+ } Hand 2: 36.295% 35.21% 01.09% 7769632306 240276515.67 { 77+, ATs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, ATo+, KQo, QJo, JTo } Factor in ICM and it's a fold with these numbers, also, I know Tightend said complete newb but JTos? 100% agree. I don't even think it's that close. Just fold and look for the next spot. Definitely think you've given him too wide a range in that hand outrageous. Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: MC on June 22, 2011, 05:22:06 PM Sigh, deleted post but got quoted :)
Wanted to ask Guy who was Hand 1 and who was Hand 2, thought I might have got it the wrong way round Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: pleno1 on June 22, 2011, 05:43:44 PM wtf? obv guy meant the last guy was the guy jamming, hero was guy 1 and 2nd guy was sb?
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: smashedagain on June 22, 2011, 06:03:58 PM Nines never lose. way hay...thats gotta be the best book/session ever.....i heard you say as soon as you get KK the first thing you think is someones got AA or they are gonna crack you. love the positive mental attitude now georgeTitle: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: outragous76 on June 22, 2011, 06:27:37 PM obv should have clarified
Tighty has 99 (didnt think that needed clarifying) Original raiser/shover has all pairs and AT+ caller (very much based on tightys description) has 77+ and I included all connected broadways incl JT as they "look pretty" Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: outragous76 on June 22, 2011, 06:28:26 PM What makes this interesting is the small blind is a complete newbie and makes lots of unorthodox calls (rarely raises) re my range Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: MC on June 22, 2011, 07:47:01 PM wtf? obv guy meant the last guy was the guy jamming, hero was guy 1 and 2nd guy was sb? Seemed the most likely but the ranges for SB could potentially have been either Guy 1 or Guy 2 Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: pokerfan on June 22, 2011, 07:58:40 PM What makes this interesting is the small blind is a complete newbie and makes lots of unorthodox calls (rarely raises) re my range Much wider i think Guy, 99 is a call here for me. Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Ironside on June 22, 2011, 08:17:18 PM 10 bigs with an ante 6 handed are we putting UTG shove at 22-JJ ATo+ ATs+
i am sure alot of players on this forum are shoving much wider it seems very nitty as we dont know when we will next get a chance to open shove to steal with equity if called Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: outragous76 on June 22, 2011, 08:25:06 PM 10 bigs with an ante 6 handed are we putting UTG shove at 22-JJ ATo+ ATs+ i am sure alot of players on this forum are shoving much wider it seems very nitty as we dont know when we will next get a chance to open shove to steal with equity if called wider is immaterial as it will only improve tightys equity in the spot Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Solaris on June 22, 2011, 08:44:57 PM 10 bigs with an ante 6 handed are we putting UTG shove at 22-JJ ATo+ ATs+ i am sure alot of players on this forum are shoving much wider it seems very nitty as we dont know when we will next get a chance to open shove to steal with equity if called This is a live donkament, peoples shoving ranges are much tighter than you seem to think. Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: SuuPRlim on June 22, 2011, 09:09:04 PM Probably fold here but I wouldn't tell anyone yh id make sure one 9 flipped over and tell everyone i had 97suited. Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: TommyD on June 22, 2011, 11:29:33 PM More than likely totally wrong but I think I put my stack in here. Payouts are similar down the bottom and if we fold it's more than likely it'll be four big stacks versus us as a shorty and depending on the winner one guy with a bowl or no one else. This might be a spot we have to risk in order to win the tourney as it's a chance to virtually triple.
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Junior Senior on June 23, 2011, 12:35:03 AM Call.. The shoved has AQ and the caller AK.
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: TightEnd on June 23, 2011, 01:38:02 PM thanks all
UTG Shover, KQo SB called KJo result immaterial (though I passed pre) suits included, 99 was a 46% shot when I ran it through the calculator Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: ruholding on June 24, 2011, 01:07:48 PM thanks all UTG Shover, KQo SB called KJo result immaterial (though I passed pre) suits included, 99 was a 46% shot when I ran it through the calculator mdd would of called imo Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: MANTIS01 on June 24, 2011, 03:50:36 PM Does calling all-in at this live FT and hoping for 30-35% equity represent your best chance of success? If you feel it does then ok. But if you feel your ability in this short hand situation is superior to various tez players I don't think you should make the decision to plain gambol.
Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: ryecarr01 on June 30, 2011, 08:04:24 PM just out of interest...
putting ourselves in TightEnds spot, whats the very bottom of our range that we are shoving with here?? Title: Re: Nein to Nine Nine? Post by: Cf on June 30, 2011, 11:50:24 PM UTGs range may be wider than normal too as he had just been bad beated. He could easily be tilting.
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