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Title: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: Woodsey on June 25, 2011, 08:18:09 PM General thoughts on this please, I've always hated getting too low in a tourney and would prefer to gamble than get much below 7-8 BB's
Here's an example from a tourney I played to day. blind are 800/1600 200 ante, I'm in the BB with 12000 before the blinds/ante's are in, I have KJ ss. Cut off flat calls, button makes it 6000 to go (average activity from him), sb folds. I decided to ship and got called by the raiser who had AK, gg me. General thoughts on shipping with this sort of marginal hand v waiting please? Title: Re: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: paulhouk03 on June 25, 2011, 08:20:37 PM jam when they have FE
Title: Re: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: Longy on June 25, 2011, 08:22:41 PM It is all maths based around ranges once you get short, not really a case of waiting or gambling. Fwiw most ppl wait too long, call too light and shove too tight.
In this situation all about your read on the button, fwiw his bet sizing looks like he is a poor player and that kj isn't the snap jam it is against a comptent player whose range should be wide here. Title: Re: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: MC on June 25, 2011, 08:25:31 PM Meh, KJss seems fine given the money in the pot from the limper.
But yeah Longy is right u can fold if it's a nit button I guess. Title: Re: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: Longy on June 25, 2011, 08:28:24 PM Whoops missed the limper, his sizing is ok then!
Title: Re: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: cambridgealex on June 26, 2011, 04:15:35 AM Yeh I'd fold this here. Get it in with fold equity like paul said. I'd be much happier jamming 7bigs the next hand bvb with Q2 than jamming kj here.
Title: Re: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: SuuPRlim on June 26, 2011, 06:21:17 AM It is all maths based around ranges once you get short, not really a case of waiting or gambling. Fwiw most ppl wait too long, call too light and shove too tight. pretty much ended the thread. +1 Title: Re: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: baltic_blonde on June 28, 2011, 02:10:00 PM Yeh I'd fold this here. Get it in with fold equity like paul said. I'd be much happier jamming 7bigs the next hand bvb with Q2 than jamming kj here. +1 Title: Re: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: dakky on July 08, 2011, 01:21:00 AM Yeh I'd fold this here. Get it in with fold equity like paul said. I'd be much happier jamming 7bigs the next hand bvb with Q2 than jamming kj here. +1 vs an average reg who will call somewhat correctly BVB, what is the maximum number of bigs you guys will jam with ATC (assuming antes)? I know this question can easily be answered with "it depends"... Would you say that the Sklansky/Chubukov hand charts optimum (haven't looked at these for years, I remember them being a bit of a mess)? Are the Nash charts best? Nash has us pushing J3ss with 10.5bb but folding with 11. In-play I jam larger stacks for sure... Title: Re: Getting low in Tourney- Gambling v waiting for a better hand? Post by: ScottMGee on July 09, 2011, 07:36:35 PM I that spot, I think your options are: -
1) fold 2) Stop and go, with then some fold equity on the flop 3) Shove, with no fold equity I prefer 2, but can live with 1 or 3 |