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Hand from just now, oppo is Brazilian, hardly stepped out and played a hand and had a 0% for 3b before this hand
Easy fold pre or too tight for a 6max table?

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, July 01, 07:54:26 ET 2011
Table Natascha VI (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $98.90 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 14.0, Hands: 154
Seat 2: Player2 ( $99.85 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 14, 3B: 3, AF: 1.8, Hands: 152
Seat 3: Player3 ( $56.50 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 20
Seat 4: Hero ( $165.35 USD ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 18, 3B: 9, AF: 1.7, Hands: 23592
Seat 5: Player5 ( $123.30 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 1.0, Hands: 70
Player1 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [  5s 5c ]
Player3 folds
Hero raises [$3.00 USD]
Player5 raises [$10.00 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Hero folds
Player5 wins $7.00 USD
Player5 wins $7.50 USD from main pot

If he has a 0% 3bet over 70 hands then I've give him a pretty strong range here and peel. Against someone 3betting a wider range folding out of position is fine

Disclaimer: not a 6max cash player

Easy

rly easy fold, hand plays terribly and dont have anywhere near implied odds to hit a set

So you're folding TT here? Has the same equity vs a very nitty 3bet range

I think assuming he's only 3 betting qq+ ak is a mistake

Not that tight, I was thinking more TT+  AQo, AJs

70 hands isn't exactly a lot but I think its a stretch to put his true 3bet% at much more than 5%

Not trying to pick a fight here, 6max cash isn't my forte at all. So the reason you snapfold here is because you assume that he's just not picked up any hands? Zero 3bets over 70 hands is a pretty huge anomaly is his true 3bet number is 8-10% surely? Being OOP is obviously a big factor too, its being harder to stack him even when you do flop a set.

Would you peel in position if he 3bet from the blinds 120 deep? In this spot how deep would you need to be to peel? 160? 200?

It's not an anomaly, 70hands is nothing for 3b%, seriously don't even look at that point. Vpip and pfr are probably within 5 by this stage tho so yeah the guy is probs v tight, but it's still not a peel even if he has a v tight range, because even tight ranges see boards they dont like, AK misses, overcards to qq etc, 100 bbs deep peeling 3bets to setmine oop is just burning money always.

this.

you lose such little equity folding a small pocket pair here kinda regardless of his 3b range that I wouldn't think twice about it.

Erm...I see a 3 bet percentage of 4 over 70 hands, not 0.

Booooooom.

Sharplea, pha frequenter [ ] - comes in with a thread-changing spot.

Presumably because he 3 bet this hand and Bully just got the hand from his DB.

wouldnt be 4% even so. 1 3bet in 70 hands = 1.4%

Probs stick to the live games mate :P

sigh I knew stepping out of my comfort zone would result in ridicule somehow. how did i balls up this one then?!

You didn't

The aforementioned ridicule was entirely unprovoked

gl in the deepstack today

haha prick

He didn't have 70 opportunities to 3 bet.  He had 25 (which is why Keys' post of sample size not being enough is relevant yet VPIP/PFR over 70 hands are a decent estimator of true VPIP/PFR)

see i did balls it up dan.

now you're the fish for thinking that i didnt.

its pretty much still always a fold until we can 4bet

Its been a tough couple of days if I'm honest. Getting absolutely owned on this board. Should probably just retire :(

Maybe make a couple of THIS posts to get the confidence back.

Correct, I dont know why it showed up as 4% because I know it was zero and was the reason I insta-fold.

What kind of % of Villain 3b (if any) should we be continuing with this hand?

none. if he's a lunatic you could 4bet for sure, but stacks are a lil over 120bbs so quite nice to 5b jam from him and there is no way we can 4b/call and (Keys/Rupert will correct me here) but im pretty sure we can't jam so honestly id be folding in this spot virtually 100% of the time.