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Day 1a Deepstack

Level 6  150/300 25 just about to go 200/400 25
FWIW i lose the hand to runner runner house having hit my flush on the turn which gives him a set.
Im not worried about this more the line thoughts please as i seem to put myself in some spots with these holdings so is it a fold pre or to the 3b.

Me 29000
Villain 17875

Villain has just come to table 2 hands ago, i have been active in position as although i had Sunil Mistri to my right the next 2 players were good blinds for me imo, so i have been able to chip up fairly easily without to many probs except 2 heroes from villains lines which made no sense but the villain has not seen these. Villain is a local to where im from and will definately perceive me to be Lag so will play back at me with strong and weak holdings but post flop is defo fit or fold type player.

Action folds to me in C/O i make it 750 with  6s 9s and button folds, villain 3b to 1900 i decide to peel  (is this ok?) as i feel i will take this pot a lot of the time on the flop or turn.

Flop   Qs 9h 2s
Villain leads for 1900 i 3 bet to 3900 i now put his range at over pairs, a set,  Aspades Ks or least likely  Aspades Ts Js combos ( again thoughts please?)
Villain 4b ships for a further 12075
Easy call with 11000 back if we lose the hand going into next level?

No.

/end thread

Edit: You didn't 3bet the flop either. He bet, you raised, he 3bet shoved the flop. Sorry to be pedantic but stuff like that annoys me!

if you are going to peel this type of hand you can NEVER fold that flop to any action. What you hoping for?

oh and fold pre, and def fold to 3b

Fold preflop

Preflop raise is fine.

Don't call the 3bet tho as tempting as it is.

Get it in on this flop.

I would call villain's donk on the flop. You have position, chip advantage, and pair f/d combo. Wouldn't really be happy to get it all in on the flop vs the sort of range you're asigning to villain. Half pot bet seems like a a reasonable controlled price with your advantages. I don't think you ever get it in on the flop in great shape but you can still easily win the pot on later streets and with further info.

Is the peel in position really that tez?

Get it in now obv.

Hey mate,

I think if we are confident playing in position then its an ok hand, especially if we are not doing it with implied odds (I,e we're calling in position to own rather than double up if we have a set)

Flop we can't fold. Do we have to raise? Not necessarily. Is raising bad? Never.

UL mate :)

emailing you something tonight btw.

Thx m8   yeah its definately more of an own, i know we cant ever fold the flop having played this hand i just wanted to see how many of the regs a) raise and peel the c/o with this and b) bet size and re=raise on flop.
So far the peeps who i would respect have said what i thought they would.

Will look out for email tomorrow
cheers bud

I hope this post is a level!

There is a good chance that we are getting it in with 14 pure outs which puts us at 52%

If he has the fd and 2 overs (unlikely IMO) we are currently ahead with blockers

If you aren't happy getting it in on this flop then you must run like god

This is a deepstack event and we have about 100 bb's. We are at a comfortable table and we are chipping up easily vs soft blinds without any great risk. We prob see ourselves as one of the better players with a decent edge to exploit. Villain came to the table 2 hands ago so we are pretty clueless. All things considered I don't think getting a big chunk of our stack in with 52% is a very good spot for us in this tournament. That's not to say I don't think we wont win the hand, just that gambling big chunks with 52% seems rather unnecessary and reckless. So sorry it wasn't the level you were hoping for.

This hand is not 100 bigs effective

Villain can fold

The open is fine but 4bet is much better than peel here if you think he's capable of 3betting light


These are pretty contradictory. You need a pretty specific read to peg him as able to 3bet you light pre but play fit or fold post. I'd say its more likely that he's just as nitty pre as he is post so you should just fold to the 3bet.

Its really easy to level yourself into getting it in light just because you've been playing pretty laggy but not everyone adjusts to try and exploit your laggyness (thats not even a word), especially live.

Sure, we can force villain to fold a worse hand. I still don't see the advantages.

er wut?

picking up 26 bbs uncontested?

If villain's got a worse hand we win those 26bb's on the turn anyway. Maybe we can win even more bb's from this worse hand by flatting flop.

can I play you every day?

what range are you assigning him?

go all in pre flop - most of the time they cant call

What range am I assigning to the villain who sat down 2 hands ago? Tough one really. Hero compounds the wideness of villain's range by saying villain will play back at him with both strong and weak holdings. What's your guess? Also due to my successful career and being socially very popular I am unavailable to play every day.

The point is we are currently behind to his "strong" 3 bets hands and our equity is about to get much worse if we just peel

We are also currenlty fav to improve against those hands if we get it in now

we are ahead of 2 overs and a FD but it can only go wrong from here and its pure guess work if we play the streets

If he has a worse hand he is unlikey to put a cent in the pot on the turn, but its not to say his "worse hand" cant improve on the river when we "give him a chance to bluff", and we will have no idea where we are if we dont improve

If he doenst have a FD  - there is a strong likelihood he isnt paying is off when it comes in (what are we calling with)

All in all, peeling the flop is just about the best way to fk this hand up

Just out of interest when you peel how do you play an Ax or Kx turn card when he leads?

FWIW i felt the peel on the flop was not the right decision as  i dont think this player pays off much on the turn if he does not have the hand he actually holds and if we get it in now i still have 27bb's if we lose and a stack of 45000+ if we win so i felt playing for stacks post flop was the correct decision in this hand.

probably too late to post in this thread but...

1. opening pre is fine.
2. if he perceives you as lag then 4 betting to ~4075, and folding to a shove is >>> calling pre.
3. folding to his 3 bet (crazy as it sounds) is fine.
4. Effective stacks aren't really deep enough imo to flat the 3 bet. If he had a similar stack to yours, then flatting is fine. (edit: tbf its close, but i prefer other options)
5. As played i'm making it ~5150 on flop and calling a 3b shove.

peeling pre-flop is pretty meh imo, i mean Ivey would prolly do it and we'd all be like "well it's Ivey he'll just win post flop" but i think with the stacks at this exact depth you're gonna have some reverse implied issues (a bit too deep to get it in on the flop with av. draws and no real reason to think we're stacking him when me monster) fold pre to the 3b for me.

We have to raise/get in on this flop, we're going to have strong equity vs any hand right now, but unlike a likely range for ourr  villain our equity is quite likely to decrease on the turn, to the point where we're  going to actually wanna fold a bunch of turns which is liiterally burning money, so I see Mantis' point about only making worse hands fold, but the problem with the worse hands in his range is they are likely to have good equity vs us anyway, so it's kind of a win getting them to fold, and when we get it in we'll be in good shape vs anything OTF

Should we be worried about the turn card? The equity figure is high because lots of cards will improve us. I don't think villain will be loving many turn cards himself. Why should we be worried about A or K coming when villain has just donk lead a Q high flop? He should be worried about lots of turn cards including A/K imo.

With positional advantage, chip advantage, a good hand and strong situation I don't think we need to be getting it in for a flip. I think that would suit villain much more than it suits us. If I was villain with less chips and oop I'd prefer to get it in on the flop to save me being facked on the turn with a crazy tough decision.

he 3 bet pre - how can he donk the flop?

Give him a range and you will start to see your logic is flawed when applying a little maths to it!

its not so much that we're worried about the turn card as like you say there are a ton of turn cards we love, the main problem we have is that there are going to be a bunch of turn cards that don't actually improve our oppo's hand but that damage our equity significantly Q/2/T/J etc and we should be folding on these cards with the stacks as they are.

The point about not taking a flip is a decent one for a comp with this structure, but if we want to realize our equity in this hand we have to go with it now, he folds a % of the time which ois fantastic for us as we win without having to risk our stack and we get it in in decent shape the rest. This is just a spot where risking getting into a 50/50 - 60/40 is just gonna be the best play imo - dont get me wrong I don't think flatting is terrible at all.

One good point about just flatting though is that if a card like a A rolls of and he has KK or KQ or w/e then he'll quite likely chk and we get to see a river for one bet which would be cool :)

Thx for feedback guys i think this hand was quite interesting and there are lots of ways of playing it pre flop and turn, as i said in the op i think the result is the same this time around as the  Ks came on the turn to give him a set and the 9ball filled him up on the river  ;grr; so this villain still stacks off on this turn card.
Thx again

Good post. Question is what do you do holding  6d 7d cos a bricked flop is what you usually see when calling the 3b pre with funky suited cards? Personally I'm still flatting the lead because villain is put in a crazy tough turn spot whatever. If I flat the flop with my whole range as I would I'm not convinced it's a bad strat or a bad spot for me overall to show profit with this type of hand/scenario. The fact that we are chip accumulating against soft blinds with low risk poker makes me think that whilst I see we can have a 5% equity edge or whatever on the flop why we're in such a rush to push it. I understand some turn cards will reduce our equity but if we're playing the hand to push our strengths of chips and position I would consider the equity less of a factor. I would only think this way because villain sees us as confirmed LAG so plays back wide.