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Scenario:

Palm Beach Big Game £1,000
63 runners, around 42 left, 9 places get paid.
Blinds 200/400 going up to 300/600/25 the next hand...30min clock.
Avg stack 17k, I am on 26k.

Opponent - okay/average mid aged poker player, played a few hands but never went to a showdown, plays poker as a hobby but seems to understand the dynamics of the game quite well. Is capable of making a move/or a hero call if he thinks he is being bullied.

He raised UTG twice in a row x2.5 and then the very next hand he made it 1,650 to go.

I looked down to find AK offsuit on the button and decided to 3bet to 4,900. He pretty quickly matched my raise n shoved all in for 12,600 on the top...

Any thoughts?? Easy fold/call?

snap for me

easy

Outchipping him,chips already in.fast structure..........SNAP

What range of hands would you put him on?

I personally thought - AK, QQ - possibly KK, JJ.

tbf the 4x is usually indictaive of 99-JJ and AJ AQ

I agree, however once he 4bet all in, I think this narrows down his range a lot...
I don't think he would be shoving over the top with less than AQ+ n JJ+

Don't 3bet without a plan, when we 3bet we are playing for stacks.

FYP

Well yeah that is what I meant.

I know ~ but didn't want some poor sod to take it as gospel that he can never ever get away from a 3b...

AK for 30 bigs when you've got plenty left if it goes wrong doesn't require any thought.

SNAP

Pretty much never folding AK with anything less than a 50BB stack unless i know the player very well and he is only capable with AA/KK.  Doesn't sound like this is the case here.

The total is for 43bb (400/200)...left with 15bb(300/600) if I lost the pot...

That's quite interesting. Who else agrees with Redarmi on this? 50bb standard?

get it in and lose to QQ after flopping the ace, simples

redarmi is correct. 50 bigs is standard. Don't 3 bet unless you're willing to get it in

so correct me if i am wrong everytime you get AK with 50 big blinds or less you are stacking off.

Not always but I'm rarely 3 bet folding it.

horses for courses obv but i am happy to have 40+ bigs. i think this is indicitive of the major differences in our thinking. as i play mostly live or sats that often have poor structures i rarely get 4 bet by a hand that AK is better than a race with. i dont want to give a sucker who i am 100% better than the even chance against me.

U probably flop a king 90% of the time when u flat tho :D

and the other 10% the queen jack ten comes. power of positive thought innit ;)

Thanks for all the replies.  I called the all in bet, and he flipped over KK. Flop brought a king and that was pretty much that. Down to 9k or so and never got back.
Was pretty sure it was the right play prior to posting, but just wanted to double check ;)

Flat pre.

You'll more than likely going to double him up post-flop given the flop brought a K, but I like a flat pre as I we're IP to an opponent who is likely to fire 1, maybe 2 barrels post-flop.

As played though, you pretty much have to stack off pre as 3b/folding AK is pretty weak...As someone else said though, don't 3b without a plan.

It's possible this could be a fold, but without more information "snap call" is the only answer that works for me.

Flatting is def better than 3b/folding but it could cause problems when we see a flop so I would rather be aggressive PF.

string raise him back, "i'll see your 5000, and raise you a £10 off at boots voucher (subject to £20 minimum purchase)"

3b/call or flatting pre are both good.  I'd probs flat, u know see a flop and outplay them with live tells etc (try hit tp)

def 100% flat. cawl 3 streets with way board ran.

Longy said it.

if we 3bet here we're stacking off, flatting is abso fine, might even be better, who knows!

thats poker

If the other guy has QQ and the flop comes A or K high then getting it in pre would be best.

If on the other hand the flop doesn't contain an A or a K then flatting would be best.

so before we act preflop, ask the dealer if we can have a lil look at the flop :)

See Dave these things actually happen live. ;)

i hate the flat pre.... hate it!!!!

3 bet to induce and snap him off.


George... you really never 3 bet fold?  i'll remember that so don't try any poncy meta-game shit on me when now i know your 3 bet tickle is really a 5 bet jam in disguise.

Doubt this villain is thinking about this after the >4x open, but in general I 3b less to give him more perceived fold equity (and make my 3b/folds cheaper).

He doesn't 3 bet fold premiums. Very different.

To be fair I saw him recently 3 bet and sigh call a cold 4 jam with Tc 3c so he ain't exctly lying :D

The AK hands really need to stop getting 3 pages of replies. OP get a calculator and download pokerstove.

yup. give him a range, use pokerstove to find equity vs said range then go here - http://www.fpppro.com/fold-equity-calculator.php

Why? Balancing our range is an important part of poker so only ever 3 betting AK is not a good idea.

In this particular hand we're playing against an opponent who the OP says:


We can therefore play the hand very profitable IP vs him.