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Title: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: piestack on July 10, 2011, 10:00:44 PM it seems i've had this subject line once before. not sure about pre or flop or turn
24/21 (~700hands) 3bet 14% from bb never squeezed (i know this isn't a squeeze), relatively tight 4bettor 6-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: villain ($402 in chips) Seat 2: utg ($228 in chips) Seat 3: big fish ($166 in chips) Seat 4: little fish ($83 in chips) Seat 5: cardboard box ($200 in chips) Seat 6: hero ($518.95 in chips) hero: posts small blind $1 villain: posts big blind $2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to hero [Kh Ad] utg: folds big fish: calls $2 little fish: folds cardboard box: calls $2 hero: raises $8 to $10 villain: raises $26 to $36 big fish: folds cardboard box: folds hero: calls $26 *** FLOP *** [Jc Qd Kd] hero: checks villain: bets $46 hero: calls $46 *** TURN *** [Jc Qd Kd] [3h] hero: checks villain: bets $94 hero: Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: Solaris on July 10, 2011, 10:07:57 PM Fold the flop. This is just an awful, awful board for our hand.
Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: skolsuper on July 10, 2011, 10:35:11 PM Fold the flop. This is just an awful, awful board for our hand. Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: piestack on July 11, 2011, 02:02:13 AM Fold the flop. This is just an awful, awful board for our hand. Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: Rupert on July 11, 2011, 11:56:28 AM we can call the flop !
Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: Solaris on July 11, 2011, 02:37:04 PM we can call the flop ! Quote relatively tight 4bettor Are we hoping he's 4 bet squeezing and then calling the flop in the hope he just gives up? It's virtually impossible for us to get another street of value from a weaker hand. Don't like that personally. Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: Rupert on July 12, 2011, 05:56:06 AM 14% 3 bet tho
Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: piestack on July 12, 2011, 11:52:48 AM just realised that it might be 14% 3bet from bb vs steal. (which it sort of is)
Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: Patonius2000 on July 12, 2011, 05:43:43 PM I would not be folding the flop, c/f turn.
Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: Patonius2000 on July 12, 2011, 05:46:58 PM we can call the flop ! Quote relatively tight 4bettor Are we hoping he's 4 bet squeezing and then calling the flop in the hope he just gives up? It's virtually impossible for us to get another street of value from a weaker hand. Don't like that personally. We aren't getting exploited by c/c c/f this hand, our pf range should absolutely rape this board. In other words he won't bluff us on the turn and if he is then that is fine because our range in super strong, we just have the bottom of it here. Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: SuuPRlim on July 12, 2011, 08:15:49 PM depends on the player but I think you can just jam pre-flop and show a small profit.
if he's a decent player then it's gonna be pretty tricky to see this one through without making a bad fold/call at some point. Jam pre and if we assume his calling range is ONLY QQ+, AKo, AKs then we need him to be folding ~61% to breakeven + a 14% range is like 66+, A5s+, KJs+ so it's reasonable to assume that he will fold over 60% of the time. Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: SuuPRlim on July 12, 2011, 08:16:27 PM ^^^ not saying it's THE BEST line, just saying I think it's viable
Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: pleno1 on July 12, 2011, 08:31:58 PM cawl flop, c/f turn.
Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: muckthenuts on July 14, 2011, 12:05:17 AM he's betting a worse hand on the turn like never, simple fold
Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: piestack on July 14, 2011, 05:01:39 PM yeah, the turn i folded. it was the flop play that i wasn't sure whether i should call or not.
i don't even know if it's close between calling and folding. Title: Re: ak oop 200bb deep Post by: ruholding on July 15, 2011, 03:20:32 PM he's betting a worse hand on the turn like never, simple fold + 1 |