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£2/£2 DC at DTD. Playing £140 in a 5handed fishy, limp/cally sort of game.

I don't know much about 6hi lo so tend to nutpedal fairly hard when it's picked, and not really sure how to play down the streets with marginals.

Anyway, a chap named Habib opens to £6 and I call next to act with  Ahrt 3h 4d Kc Qc 7s

A Persian chap named James calls on the button, the blinds fold.

Flop (£18)  8d 3c 2h

So I flop the nut low. Habib checks, I bet £12, James and Habib both call.

Turn (£54)  3s

So now I have trips and the nut low. Habib checked, I should've probably bet here, but I checked and James checked behind.

River (£54)  Ad

I have threes full (the third nut house) and now a 7432A low which is the fourth nut low. Habib checks. I bet £25, James calls. Habib now raises £75 to £100. We have £87 behind. Habib and James both have 2 or 3 hundred at least behind. Fold or call?

We have a nitty image, we haven't been played many hands and shown the goods when we have. Habib is a pretty decent player and knows whats going on. James is a massive fish but knows the games alright. I had a feeling Habib mightve been trying to push me off my hand so he could scoop vs James, or get James to fold as well and win. But I was of course worried that Habib had AA45 or AA65 or something and scoop me. But he did check the flop, and with AA45 surely he'd bet the flop?

Don't know whether anyone on here even plays this game but you'll know better than me! If anything just something different to think about...

I fold river

You definitely want to be betting the turn too, you have the nut low and most likely the best high hand. A set of eights would have bet the flop, deuces full will just call the turn and more threes full hands will too but you have good equity with three overcards to make a better threes full

I have never played 6 hilo but I do play a bit of 4 hilo and am studying it fairly hard at the moment and that is pretty much a game of the nuts so I would imagine 6 hilo is even more so so when someone showed a good deal of strength on the rover I would be looking to fold.  I would also pretty much always bet my nut low hands simply because it is very easy to end up quartering lows or getting counterfeited.  Out of interest which games regularly get played in the dc at dtd?

Alot of my thought process youve explained in your OP (thanks for the credit xxx).

Basically cant see us ever getting scooped by Habiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiib, as he always bets flop with AA45/AA46. However, James' hand looks like a bare low, defo credibly has the 45xx. Not worried about him for the high, but definately waving goodbye to half of my pot most of the time.

As Dan said, we should bet the turn. We get sooooo much equity from worse lows that cant call the river, and if anyone does make a house on the turn, we have AKQJ (with, I assume, KQJ as full scoop outs).

The other reason I bet the turn is because in a 3 way pot, someones scooped. James and Habibs hands looks very weak, so Id be trying to get them to put money in on the turn so in the event of a chop, we have more profit (struggling to put this in proper terms).

The other reason for the above is because on this river, we're calling £75 to profit around £30 (if James folds behind). Had we bet the turn, we've increased this number to like 40-50, which makes it alot closer. ATM, we're pretty much burning money, as we never get a full scoop really in this spot.

Pretty much folding on the river. We're almost never scooping, and not winning half enough to make it profitable with such a small overlay from whoever we end up scooping.

Would like some of the sickos to tell me if Im wrong here please. Feel pretty confident about writing this post but Im never sure XD.

Flop: Pot
Turn: Pot
River: Rest

Not trying to pick nits here, but one way or another, this info has to be wrong. At Dusk the small blind is posted on the button, so if James calls the button, only one blind can fold. And if one blind has folded then the pot is £20.

Habib's c-bet ratio in hi-lo is probably way too high, so he's betting with a lot of combos; and he likes to checkraise with big hands in 6card games. Not sure if either of these are great or terrible, but they're defo exploitable. imo you're never getting scooped.

Obviously we should bet this turn card. From my experience, in the DC game at Dusk you can confidently pot the turn and get two callers. This allows us to shove the river with probably the same result.

Habib will most likely be checkraising river with one nut hand, and this is almost always 45. James' investment after Habib raises doesn't seem great enough to make a call worthwhile on the odd occasions he does find a scoop hand. Plus the rake is going to eat 20% of your profit. James might call behind and this will give us either half or one quarter of a decent pot. For these reasons, given your risk/reward as played we can do that thing where we screw up our face a little bit and then fold.


I don't think I'm qualified as a sicko, but this seems like a terrible idea. The only way we're going to make any profit on the river is to let James call behind with worse. So if we raise here, we should be doing it to try and get Habib to fold, which is not going to happen. As played, regardless of how deep we are, we should fold.

I actually edited my post when I realised it was a terrible idea lol

Habib has 45. Pretty sure if he has AA he flats pre hoping to pot it if someone raises. 88 he check raises flop.

James has God knows what but it isn't AA or 88 because he bets big on the flop with 88 and raises AA pre. Possibly 23/83 with some kind of weak low.

I can't see us ever getting quartered or scooped here.

Pre and flop action just makes me think that our high is good. Turn action makes me think we don't get quartered because they both bet when they hit triple threes.

As played I just call the river.

This is all very much player dependant btw.

Should have potted turn, after the river kills your low I'd be checking. Have to fold to the raise now, you'd be very lucky to end up with a quarter.

This, obv.

Going to say preflop there is £20 + 12*3 = 56 + 25*3 = £131 - 7 rake = 123

As we're not sure James is going to call, then we're calling £75 to win £61.50. It seems very probable that we're getting half, but if we're getting quartered 20% of the time, (ie Habib randomly shows up on the river with A345) then we're making the right decision by folding.

We're not winning 61.50 though, we're only winning half of the dead players money (wether that's habib or James)

Eh??

Don't you class what's already in the pot as winnings?

Must make it difficult to make many calls.

Do you go to the cash desk, change up £100 and class that as winning? (by the fact you got your money back)

I hope for your sake this is a level.

You do know that once you've put money in to a pot it isn't yours any more don't you?

If we call this river and chop don't you class the £43 we already put in as a return because it was us who put it in there in the first place?

lol JK. Either this is a level or you're way off today. Either way, it's all locked in quotes. ;)

Fortunately for me, it was a level. Phew.

Cba to write a long winded post out explaining my flawed reasons on my iPhone, will probably make myself look stupid when I'm next on my laptop.

Ps, I agree Sean that the first thing was absolutely the most ridic idea iv ever had and have burned it from my brain. However, I know what I mean here but too tired/pissed off with my shit phone to find a way to express it. Kisses xx

mbn to have an iphone imo

wow..wet the bed mate. what you doing up this side of lunch.
100% pot the turn but as it happens you can fold now and probably saved a bit of cash. playing Dc with anyone who has played for +3 years is pretty much a nuts game. 
becareful in these type games as they are bankroll crushers but so much more fun than playing hold em.

still plenty of fish tho at dtd. last time i played at dtd playing super stud i made a full house and the two other guys in the pot both asked me what lo i had?you could n't make it up.

so what low did you have?

im only up cos my landlord came round to inspect the place before i move out in a couple of weeks. going back to bed soon don't you worry.

lol pretty sure you will lose some deposit....no reflection on you but more so on landlords

sidebet that i dont lose any deposit?

Can I take half of your action Alex?

insider dealing imo.
alex was playing A4 on the turn for nut low boldie a2348 then the river he has to play 47 for a2347 (45 46 and 56 beating) Ace on the river is pretty sick for alex.
not sure of outcome but guess alex needs a tissue but would imagine both players would have still called a pot bet on the turn

you can take half my action in future DC games?!

I think I made the right river decision in this hand.

You lol folded to Habib?

Oh dear.

I folded. James called with the nut lo 5432A which was good for half, Habib showed 83xxxx for threes full of eights and no lo. So I folded the best hand and probably wouldve scooped, but perhaps James is bad enough that he probs overcalls with the bare lo.

You're never scooping here so forget that possibility.

James won't consider the possibility of being quartered so you could even jam and he's calling.

Habib probably folds to your shove though. He's not great but he's also not stupid.

Problem with that game is they all level each other because of the low side.

If one of them has the nut low he'll just get the lot in hoping the other guy folds a better high.

If he's got a half decent high he'll level himself in to thinking the other guy's got the nut low and is trying to get him off his high.

6 card hi lo is fun but yeah everyone pretty much peddling those nuts.

sorry boldie i just read this again. you may have been asking what low i had...super stud is a 7 card game where the pot is split between the high and low hands (8 low being the qualifier) so you make the best 5 card hands with the 7 you are dealt. if you have a full house then you cant possibly have 5 different low cards you only have 4 different cards in your hand (trips. pair. and two others)

So what low did you have?

So this means you had What low?

blagging my head. no qualifying low...i aint entitled to that half of the pot. when dumb asses are asking what low you got then you are pretty much halving the pot unless they show up with a 10 low

We get that he had a better low than you but what was your's?

Just because it doesn't qualify doesn't mean you haven't got one at all!!

we have no lo hand. its like saying what flush do you have when you aint got 5 soots the same

But what if there are 4 spades on the board and you have the ace of spades? Surely you win then?

God, Herbies even a fish at Super stud. It depends what his full house was, if it was like 5s full of 2s then he has a 5lo but I reckon he didn't since that usually scoops and he said they had a better lo. Eights full herbie?

its amusing me to amuse you.  gotta go see my mum soon. worst news in the world for my kids i think

:( all the best herbie, hope it's good news.

c/c flop - with the nut low 3handed we really need to keep it multiway to extract max value, with some reads im pretty sure you dont have you could c/r really small and try get them both to flick the extra bets with slghtly dominated hands but getting 3b sucks as you're high equity is likely to be kinda tez vs a flop 3b in this game and we could get 1/4'd a ton,

turn is an excellent time to bet as you're high equity has now improved, wouldn't be betting pot tho, still really wanna keep it 3way

river, is actually a terrible card would either chk back or bet fold ~20/25£, I know its tempting to b/c cos it seems like Habib will be scooping a really low % of the time, but between the 2 you could easily be getting scooped or 1/4'd. closing the action or HU you could possibly call. I think bet/folding might be better with James behind as described.

He would be pretty stupid to fold to my shove, since its £12 more.

Great game to be in when people pot top set and no lo on an all-low board.

If you can survive the swings then yes it's brilliant.