Title: Simple Question Post by: DungBeetle on July 28, 2011, 02:19:20 PM Just having a disagreement with a friend so lets get some opinions:
Loose cash game - everyone has between £200 and £1k. Our stack is £300. Our image is agressive. We have history with one opponent in the hand where we check raised him with air and showed when he folded. Blinds are £1/£2 and we post straddle for £5. Mid position makes in £15 and there are 2 callers. We have Tc 3c on the straddle. Question - is putting in the extra £10 generally positive or negative EV in this scenario? Assume straddle player is competent and won't do anything stupid with one pair. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: Rupert on July 28, 2011, 02:32:41 PM -EV obviously
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: muckthenuts on July 28, 2011, 03:37:56 PM /thread
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: SuuPRlim on July 28, 2011, 03:56:10 PM -EV obviously ofc if i was losing I would never fold ever mind lol Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: JK on July 28, 2011, 03:56:54 PM BUT ITS GREEEEEEEN
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: pleno1 on July 28, 2011, 04:11:33 PM 3bet to £58
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: SuuPRlim on July 28, 2011, 04:13:22 PM 3bet to £58 lord spew of spewtown ITT ladies and gentemen Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: strak33 on July 28, 2011, 08:56:57 PM Dont think hes joking either :)
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: craigbetts on July 28, 2011, 09:02:26 PM /thread why.... wouldn't we like to know where this game takes place? Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: SuuPRlim on July 28, 2011, 09:04:13 PM Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: smashedagain on July 28, 2011, 09:59:33 PM you two are joking right
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: cambridgealex on July 28, 2011, 10:14:01 PM People that show one bet bluffs tilt the fuck out of me.
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: DungBeetle on July 29, 2011, 09:12:07 AM /thread why.... wouldn't we like to know where this game takes place? How predicatable and tiresome. Symptomatic of this forum - no reasoning, just a snide comment. FWIW I was the person advocating always folding here, but this response is typical of the UK poker scene which has a healthy population of socially inept online geeks. The game is at the Empire in London if you want to know. Why don't you go along - I'm sure you'll "crush" it. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: StuartHopkin on July 29, 2011, 09:30:50 AM /thread why.... wouldn't we like to know where this game takes place? How predicatable and tiresome. Symptomatic of this forum - no reasoning, just a snide comment. FWIW I was the person advocating always folding here, but this response is typical of the UK poker scene which has a healthy population of socially inept online geeks. The game is at the Empire in London if you want to know. Why don't you go along - I'm sure you'll "crush" it. The comment wasnt put across very well obv, but this really is a bit of a weird thread. You might have awesome post skills but I think its pretty obvious that this is a -EV spot. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: kinboshi on July 29, 2011, 10:05:24 AM /thread why.... wouldn't we like to know where this game takes place? How predicatable and tiresome. Symptomatic of this forum - no reasoning, just a snide comment. FWIW I was the person advocating always folding here, but this response is typical of the UK poker scene which has a healthy population of socially inept online geeks. The game is at the Empire in London if you want to know. Why don't you go along - I'm sure you'll "crush" it. :hello: OOP to a raiser with a garbage hand, seems like a trivial fold? Are you straddling often in this game? Do you usually defend your straddle, and do you think straddling in the game is +EV for you? Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: DungBeetle on July 29, 2011, 10:15:16 AM I never play at the Empire because I don't like the players that play there and don't find it an enjoyable atmosphere. This was a discussion I had with someone who played there who thought it was +EV to call because people stack off with overpairs there. I disagreed.
Personally I don't straddle. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: kinboshi on July 29, 2011, 10:23:23 AM Definitely think it's -EV. I also reckon it's probably -EV to straddle in that game as well, but others may disagree.
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: SuuPRlim on July 29, 2011, 10:31:23 AM The straddling debate is as old as time.
ofc straddling is immeadiatley negative EV, increasing the size of the game/putting in an unnecessary bet without looking at our cards all OOP - this isn't to say that straddling isnt long term profitable for you, i.e it might make other, weaker players do it when your in LP etc, might improve your image etc etc etc if a coupe of weaker players are straddling then get urself in there and straddle imo show a bit of heeeaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttt :P UK poker scene which has a healthy population of socially inept online geeks not sure what makes you think this, I literally couldn't disagree more, i think the majority of successful online players in the UK scene are incred good fun and very comfortable socially , If you compare us to the US online community then shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt we're basically all James Bond. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: DungBeetle on July 29, 2011, 10:40:56 AM Sorry - wasn't referring to online players as such. More the tendancy of 20-30 year old poker playing people (live and online) tending to post online with numerous acronyms like they are 15 years old schoolgirls, and post dismissively and abruptly. The forum is a worse place for it.
I agree with you that the US online community's capacity for irritation is immeasurable. But feel free to ignore me as I am generally considered to be a right grumpy b*stard. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: SuuPRlim on July 29, 2011, 10:56:08 AM But feel free to ignore me as I am generally considered to be a right grumpy b*stard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: kinboshi on July 29, 2011, 11:22:05 AM The straddling debate is as old as time. ofc straddling is immeadiatley negative EV, increasing the size of the game/putting in an unnecessary bet without looking at our cards all OOP - this isn't to say that straddling isnt long term profitable for you, i.e it might make other, weaker players do it when your in LP etc, might improve your image etc etc etc if a coupe of weaker players are straddling then get urself in there and straddle imo show a bit of heeeaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttt :P I was thinking specifically about the game the OP was referring to. If others are straddling and calling with garbage OOP, then there's really no need to straddle (imo). Quote UK poker scene which has a healthy population of socially inept online geeks not sure what makes you think this, I literally couldn't disagree more, i think the majority of successful online players in the UK scene are incred good fun and very comfortable socially , If you compare us to the US online community then shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt we're basically all James Bond. Johnny English is probably more accurate. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: SuuPRlim on July 29, 2011, 12:52:58 PM I was thinking specifically about the game the OP was referring to. If others are straddling and calling with garbage OOP, then there's really no need to straddle (imo). Quote NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT :P hehehe UK poker scene which has a healthy population of socially inept online geeks not sure what makes you think this, I literally couldn't disagree more, i think the majority of successful online players in the UK scene are incred good fun and very comfortable socially , If you compare us to the US online community then shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt we're basically all James Bond. Johnny English is probably more accurate. lol - I think sadly you are prolly riggght ;) Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: cambridgealex on July 29, 2011, 02:46:40 PM Sorry - wasn't referring to online players as such. More the tendancy of 20-30 year old poker playing people (live and online) tending to post online with numerous acronyms like they are 15 years old schoolgirls, and post dismissively and abruptly. The forum is a worse place for it. I agree with you that the US online community's capacity for irritation is immeasurable. But feel free to ignore me as I am generally considered to be a right grumpy b*stard. Lol Wtf? Diagf IMO. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: titaniumbean on July 29, 2011, 02:52:35 PM lildave for Prime Minister!
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: DungBeetle on July 29, 2011, 03:18:19 PM Sorry - wasn't referring to online players as such. More the tendancy of 20-30 year old poker playing people (live and online) tending to post online with numerous acronyms like they are 15 years old schoolgirls, and post dismissively and abruptly. The forum is a worse place for it. I agree with you that the US online community's capacity for irritation is immeasurable. But feel free to ignore me as I am generally considered to be a right grumpy b*stard. Lol Wtf? Diagf IMO. Had to look that up and am now incandescent with rage. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: cambridgealex on July 29, 2011, 03:22:45 PM Sorry - wasn't referring to online players as such. More the tendancy of 20-30 year old poker playing people (live and online) tending to post online with numerous acronyms like they are 15 years old schoolgirls, and post dismissively and abruptly. The forum is a worse place for it. I agree with you that the US online community's capacity for irritation is immeasurable. But feel free to ignore me as I am generally considered to be a right grumpy b*stard. Lol Wtf? Diagf IMO. Had to look that up and am now incandescent with rage. Incan-what? Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: DungBeetle on July 29, 2011, 03:26:19 PM :)
Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: SuuPRlim on July 29, 2011, 04:46:48 PM thread wins.
vote for me, manifesto on its way. Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: craigbetts on July 29, 2011, 04:54:51 PM /thread why.... wouldn't we like to know where this game takes place? How predicatable and tiresome. Symptomatic of this forum - no reasoning, just a snide comment. FWIW I was the person advocating always folding here, but this response is typical of the UK poker scene which has a healthy population of socially inept online geeks. The game is at the Empire in London if you want to know. Why don't you go along - I'm sure you'll "crush" it. I really do not understand the OP, as kinboshi says this is not a play that has long term reward. I was hoping there was a little more to follow because this seemed like a trivial thread that added little to the way of PHA. Then you post the above, how correct you are.... I am neither a cash game player or an online player, neither would I class myself as a socially inept geek... in addition, I am over the age of thirty.. ooo I have it now, I am just immature. Good luck at the tables, you may just need it!! Title: Re: Simple Question Post by: DMorgan on July 30, 2011, 01:21:30 AM Sorry - wasn't referring to online players as such. More the tendancy of 20-30 year old poker playing people (live and online) tending to post online with numerous acronyms like they are 15 years old schoolgirls, and post dismissively and abruptly. The forum is a worse place for it. I agree with you that the US online community's capacity for irritation is immeasurable. But feel free to ignore me as I am generally considered to be a right grumpy b*stard. Lol Wtf? Diagf IMO. Had to look that up and am now incandescent with rage. FYP |