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Title: Part 2 Gibralar Masters
Post by: pleno1 on July 31, 2011, 11:14:08 AM
Please see part 1 for explanation on tournie.

Average chips is 22400, I have 125,500 and have a ridiculous image. I'm winning alot at non showdowns and thin value against the Spanish fish.

Previous hand villain raises UTG+1 w/55. BB called and c/r villains bet on 744 and villain tank jammed 55 and got ther eon the river against 88. He is stacking chips and I ask him how many does he have "86,000 - you?"

Almost 3 seconds after answering me he raises utg at 600/1200 to 2400.

Folds to me on the button and I make it 5975 with  Kh Kc he snap calls.

Flop

 Th 8s 3d

he checks and I bet 5655, he immediately announces raise and throws in three 5k chips looking extremely confident. He knows I am very aggro and has gotten it in in similar circumstances in cash with qj on qxx in similar spot.


Turn


 7c

He takes 3 seconds and checks. I check behind.

River

 3s

He bets 10k. I call.


I think this hand is really interesting, because although I think I played it v.slow I was very confused whether keeping a huge stack (ft avg was 96k) was more important than potentially losing out on another 20k on the river and possibly 80 on the flop. I think his flop raising range is probal qq/jj/1010, although he very possibly raises all three of these pre, also he can have 33/88 and possibly, a10s, j10s.

Thoughts on everything including the discussion about "keeping a stack"


Title: Re: Part 2 Gibralar Masters
Post by: cambridgealex on July 31, 2011, 12:24:49 PM
Vs this guy you can 3bet way bigger pre.

I'd be raising the river for value for sure. You'd somehow be able to make it 29753,5 if you wanted...;)

Like flop and turn line.



Title: Re: Part 2 Gibralar Masters
Post by: AlexMartin on July 31, 2011, 02:52:20 PM
"he immediately announces raise and throws in three 5k chips looking extremely confident".

30k/call.


Title: Re: Part 2 Gibralar Masters
Post by: pleno1 on July 31, 2011, 03:02:43 PM
"he immediately announces raise and throws in three 5k chips looking extremely confident".

30k/call.

i agree with you in cahs games it would be super easy 3b/call. but i think in tournaments its really important about keeping a big stack with 30 left in a comp and ensure we dont go broke. maybe quite similar to the kk v aa hand that ben lamb played.

i really dont know how mor eimportant a big stack is compared to going for value against a range that is as wide as a range that is beating me.

thoughts?


Title: Re: Part 2 Gibralar Masters
Post by: DMorgan on July 31, 2011, 07:43:49 PM
Definitely agree with alex that you can 3b much bigger pre. I like your flop and turn lines but definitely raising river now that your hand his so under-repped


Title: Re: Part 2 Gibralar Masters
Post by: Horneris on July 31, 2011, 08:49:12 PM
I don't hate the pre flop, flop, turn play but am defo raising the river when he bets 10k.

Could show up with Ace 3 or J9 something sick but I think hes highly likely to make a much bigger river bet than 10k if he has a hand that beats you after his 20.5kish total wager on the flop.

Likely QQ, JJ, 99, any T with a decent kicker, maybe even things like A8, 98, 97.


Title: Re: Part 2 Gibralar Masters
Post by: AlexMartin on August 01, 2011, 06:44:57 PM
"he immediately announces raise and throws in three 5k chips looking extremely confident".

30k/call.

i agree with you in cahs games it would be super easy 3b/call. but i think in tournaments its really important about keeping a big stack with 30 left in a comp and ensure we dont go broke. maybe quite similar to the kk v aa hand that ben lamb played.

i really dont know how mor eimportant a big stack is compared to going for value against a range that is as wide as a range that is beating me.

thoughts?

Can u give more info on villain- age etc, think its really important.