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Apologies for the imperfect hand history. It's not ideal posting these from ipoker.

We are 5-handed.

Villain 2 (UTG) in this hand is a semi reg, villain 1 (SB) is a massive fish.

I'm playing $500, villain 2 is playing 300 and villain 1 is playing $300 (just doubled).

No massive history with either but it's likely they both view me as very aggressive and quite tricky.

UTG Villain 2 opens to 7, I call on the button with  Ac C5 6d 8h. Villain 1 calls in SB.

The flop is  5d Jc 9c and they both check to me.

I bet $21. Fish folds SB and UTG calls.

Turn  7d. (This makes me 2nd nuts incase hh is confusing atm).

UTG pots for $70. We?

Thoughts so far on everything pls and our decision now.

Fold pre? Wouldn't mind the hand so much if it was DS but not a huge fan of flatting pre even IP with that sort of hand.

On the turn I flat and evaluate the river. Almost certainly folding to a big river bet unless the club comes.

Normally I fold pre but the fish in SB is just too worthwhile to play pots with.

On another table he stacked off to a 170 shove into 260 with K789 on a 78JQA board.

I mean i am no expert but i just get it in here.

He obviously likes his hand enough but i think you see sets with flush draws more than 108

i aint giving you my thoughts on everything coz "SOME PEOPLE CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH".

i dont mind the call pre flop especially with Mr Fishy in sb as he is our mark (shame he aint hit a pair). We fold these type of hands in position we may as well play like an old boy as we are gonna get steam rollered.

flat call the turn and re evaluate on the river.

is i poker not you fav place to play?

lol. wiiiiii agree
and for villan to show up with 10 8 raising utg its a cooler and why we live  the rock n roll lifestyle

OFC it is. hand histories just not ideal for posting on hand analysis boards.

Meh @ folding pre.

You're on the button, raise pre.

Call now please.

I'm folding pre-flop to a R, but there again I am over thirty ;)

As played I think I would flat the turn bet but if it bricks I'm not sure what I'd do if there were a river shove.

if we weren't as deep i shove as he is priced in with 2pair+worse flush etc etc and we get all the money in good shape lots.

This deep though he can bet fold things that are is very bad shape to us so jamming value goes down. Call turn call river is much riskier but im going to give him a chance to barrel, hit a flush or check call a shove from us on the river with a bluff catcher.

I'd possible fold a few rivers to a jam but really want some sort of specific read ..... (it seems a bad way to play his hand if he has turned nuts given stack depth and a fish being in the pot. I would assume if he was that spazzy with the lines he takes then there is a good chance you would have noticed at some point).

pre seems fine to me. this is plo not nl

flat here, I think raising is pretty bad unless you have some real history or are aware of some game flow dynamic that makes him wanna bet/c J9 with blues or w/e

jam any diamond, club J 5 9 or 7 river if he chks, in fact id go as far to say id jam almost ANY river he checks to us.

prolly fold if he jams a non club river

and I would rarely fold this preflop.

How about boldie's 3-betting strategy pre-flop?

the button, 4 cards, raise?

adopt a pretty similar strategy myself ;)

no one folds so its pretty poor strategy to not try and control the pot.

this isnt really true though jason is it :)

fml. i was pretty sure you or keys once said this in pha. you know me dave, pretty clueless ;)

if no1 folds we wanna bet when our hands i likely to be better than theirs!

lets not forget, this is a cash game, if/when we bust we can just buy more chips :P

Lol at folding pre. Yeah you can 3bet but it's not really a good hand to do it with, you're going to flop badly/dominated against a lot of his utg opening range which is why you don't want to reduce the psr. Call the turn now and bluff board pairs. It sucks that sb is in the hand but you can't really fold.

Do you call a shove on a brick river Rob?

i would be folding blank rivers almost always

a few characters in these games would make me tank the river but the line is so credible for T8 that I think we have to just give it credit, sure they'll be bluffing a % but then people are allowed to bluff sometime, especially in spots where there range is stronger than ours, and we  need him to be bluffing ~1/3 of the time and that is pretty optimistic in these games imo

Do you play in these games on ipoker Suup, just curious? read your blog sometimes and wondered where you find decent amounts of plo action.

On blank rivers and given the board texture, how often do you think a random reg in these games (no reads as in this case) is betting T8 vs. looking to check call? And so what do you do when checked to on a blank river?

yh i play in games with Cos a lot.

I wouldn't ever expect a reg (or anyone for this matter) to chk T8 on a brick river, given that our range has only 2 hands that can Vbet and those are 68 and T8, and 68 is actually quite unlikely (or should I say much less likely than JJ/99 AKQ* with diamonds etc) and we're way more likely to bluff catch with this range than bluff or Vbet with it when chked, also if he is bluffing OTT with a hand like ATT* dd then he's going to wanna go all in.

Id be really confused by a river chk on a blank that I'd be really caught in two minds between chking and seeing wat cards he took the line with or jamming primarily with the intention of folding out 68......

fwiw Id be flatting near my entire range OTT, inc T8, we play the rest of the hand out IP with much higher visibility, as in we can rep a much wider range of hands throughout the hand and out villain's range is heavily dominated by straights (although it's possible for him to credibly rep diamonds I spose)

Jamming the turn with anything other than T8 in a spot like this with given history is pretty spewy imo and therefore it makes jamming the turn with anything a bad play most likely.