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Title: would you have called this? Post by: Graham C on January 04, 2006, 10:09:55 PM £2 mtt on crypto
I folded at the all in and as it happens, I could have won had I called but I was wondering if I should have taken the risk. I didnt call because Im in a fairly healthy position and didnt want to ruin it. I guess you dont get to be chip leader like this though -----HAND 5------ Game #1284715334: Hold'em NL (50/100) - 2006/01/04 - 22:06:16 (UK) Table "Tourney 1666123 - 2" Seat 3 is the button. Seat 1: Blyth002 (625 in chips) Seat 2: RealMcoy (10692.50 in chips) Seat 3: richie200 (1720 in chips) Seat 4: Gaz5150 (1980 in chips) Seat 5: silo (4730 in chips) Seat 6: grmreaper (5435 in chips) Seat 7: Fudgeski (1925 in chips) Seat 8: Rafiky (2080 in chips) Seat 9: neil61 (2265 in chips) Seat 10: MJC plum (1350 in chips) Gaz5150: posts small blind 50 silo: posts big blind 100 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to silo [4c 6s] grmreaper: folds Fudgeski: folds Rafiky: calls 100 neil61: raises to 200 MJC plum: folds Blyth002: calls 200 RealMcoy: folds richie200: folds Gaz5150: folds silo: calls 100 Rafiky: calls 100 ----- FLOP ----- [5h Kd 7s] silo: bets 425 Rafiky: folds neil61: raises to 2065 and is all-in Blyth002: is all-in 425 silo: folds Returned uncalled bets 1,640 to neil61 ----- TURN ----- [5h Kd 7s][Qs] ----- RIVER ----- [5h Kd 7s Qs][3c] ----- SHOW DOWN ----- neil61: shows [Ac Ks] (A Pair of Kings, Ace high) Blyth002: shows [4h Kh] (A Pair of Kings, Queen high) neil61 collects 2125 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot 2125 Main pot 2125 Rake 0 Board [5h Kd 7s Qs 3c] Seat 2: RealMcoy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: richie200 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: Gaz5150 (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: silo (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 6: grmreaper folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: Fudgeski folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Rafiky folded on the Flop Seat 9: neil61 showed [Ac Ks] and won (2125) with A Pair of Kings, Ace high Seat 10: MJC plum folded before Flop (didn't bet) Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: Highstack on January 04, 2006, 10:40:24 PM Well you were getting the correct odds and a call didn't leave you on the rails so I probably would have made it, but it is a marginal one and certainly nothing wrong with the fold.
Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: jezza777 on January 04, 2006, 11:59:33 PM I dont mind moving in with a draw like this but i have a hard time calling . It's a fold for me
Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: M3boy on January 05, 2006, 01:50:52 AM correct odds????? with only 6 outs??????? hmmmmmmmmmmmm i think not
I would of pushed on the flop - or check raised them all in No call though, fold in ur situation for me Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: Nem on January 05, 2006, 02:28:20 AM correct odds????? with only 6 outs??????? hmmmmmmmmmmmm i think not That's what I was thinking LOL Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: Graham C on January 05, 2006, 08:52:37 AM Cheers I was on abit of a downer because I seemed to be folding cards that turned out nice on the flop/turn/river last night. I know you shouldnt look at the cards and if I had played they could have been differnt :)
Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: Highstack on January 05, 2006, 09:50:09 AM YES CORRECT ODDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The money was in on the flop. It was 1600 more into 3300 so around 2/1. He was open ended at the time with two cards to come. So his odds of hitting were also around 2/1. He only knew his cards and the flop at this point. I usually look for the facts before I criticise a post! Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: Graham C on January 05, 2006, 10:06:05 AM but my call either way was ok I guess. I wish (obviously) I had of called. I forget about calculating odds when Im playing at the moment sometimes, must work on it :)
Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: bundle on January 05, 2006, 10:14:17 AM Silo you might want to try doing what i do, i have a board above my computer, with all the stuff i need written on it for a quick glance. on the flop 2 outs=8% =9+/1 pot odds
4 outs=16%= so on and so on 8 outs all the way to 15 outs, but really by the time you hit 13 outs it's a must call anyway Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: Graham C on January 05, 2006, 10:17:04 AM yeah thats a good idea. I used to use the outs calculator from www.best-hand.com - there is a useful info window there, but seem to have got complacent recently.
Must start again. Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: Pombo on January 05, 2006, 11:02:32 AM Hi guys,
I'm more of a NL cash game player but want to work on my MTT skills.....so where better to start than this thread. I know in this situation I would fold like you did Silo.... Highstack, you said the odds of hitting were 2/1....i thought you needed 3/1 odds for an o-e straight draw?...that's assuming all your 8 outs were good too. I think a call here would be wrong...but like you say you wouldn't be dead in the water if you did call and missed. Thanks. PS...like that best-hand site Silo...thanks. Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: Graham C on January 05, 2006, 11:13:20 AM no worries, I found/find it useful for discipline in deciding what hands to play with sometimes, the screen where you put your pocket cards in is useful too if you are new like me :)
I got it from the main blondes page in links and there are loads of useful resources there if you ever need anything Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: Highstack on January 05, 2006, 11:19:35 AM Well the correct way of working out your % is actually to work out the likelyhood that you miss and not that you hit. I was demonstrating as a rough calculation for him and something that can be used as a general rule.
He has 8 winners with 2 streets to come so that means 16 chances. He knows 5 cards and that leaves 47. So very crudely there are 16 chances in 47 which is approx 2/1. The true odds are something like 9/4 I believe. If maths isnt your strong point and working out pot odds you find difficult, it is easy to make as a quick calculation that for open enders or flush draws, you are around 2/1 on the flop and 4/1 on the turn. Sometimes outs may be discounted and drawing to the nut hands is obviously better, other occasions you may actually have more outs if your overcards are also live, however as a basic rule if the pot is paying you above these odds, then you won't go too far wrong long term. Title: Re: would you have called this? Post by: snoopy1239 on January 05, 2006, 02:53:29 PM If my maths is correct:
Pot odds = 2.2-1 Odds of hitting straight = 2.3-1 Therefore, very marginal. Don't think anyone can moan if you call. However, don't forget that this isn't a cash game. Sometimes it depends on what sort o player you are, how you want to work your stack, the quality of opponents, etc. Also, my calculation obviously don't take into account the small possibilty of being beaten by a full house. Tricky one. Good post. |