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Title: Sliding Doors and Suited Connectors
Post by: Pyso on August 05, 2011, 04:08:18 PM
DTD last night, in the early hours, the usual 50p/£1 nonsense, albeit on the new straddle happy 200-max tables.

Most flops are multi way, a pre-flop raise is seen as irrelevant but nobody is squeezing or 3-betting.

I am on the button with  9h 8h when it is multi-limped to me. Now normally I would raise but the SB is a lovely combination - LAG and useless. He talks a good game but spouts utter shit and plays a game consisting of call, call and call some more and hit that runner runner draw.

I know he will likely raise in the best position (in his mind) and he doesn't disappoint, bumping it up to £6, which really is just an irritant as everybody will call. I am happy to do so on the button, capping the betting with my lovely big stack busting connectors. The SB has me covered, I am sitting with around £220.

The flop is a glorious  Qc 9c 9d

SB checks (how I want him to have AQ here) and the BB leads out for £15. BB is known to me, both personally and as a solid, thinking player. He likes to push his draws as well as lead out with the goods. I am suspecting a draw here, or possily a nine - I have seen him do this before with trips in a multi way pot. It is folded to me. I think about raising but decide I probably need to flat, to get the SB to call behind or have him raise me, whereby I can get it in.

The SB calls. The pot is now £75.

The SB could have anything given previous hands we have seen, but of course I am not discounting a genuine hand either.

The turn is the  Js

SB checks and he is beginning to look either very trappy or very fishy. BB leads again for £25 this time. I comment that this is a very small bet to which he replies he wants me to raise so that he can come over the top. I am now actually a little more concerned about the SB, he is so fishy he could easily have a straight here.  I flat again, exercising a little pot control  and waiting to see what the SB does.

He calls and we go the river with a pot of £150. The river is  7c. Yuk. But I took that risk when I flatted on the turn.

SB checks once more (very polarised now, either the stone cold nuts or feck all), BB value bets his probable flush for a tiny £25. Well, he probably wants a raise more than a call. I decide I can't fold trip nines for £25 into a £150 pot just yet, especially as the SB may actually give up now (unlikely though) and BB could have the same sort of hand as me. So I reluctantly flat once more, half expecting the move from the SB, which duly comes when he check-raises to £75.

BB instantly and begrudgingly announces "I call".

Ok, there is £325 in the pot minus £7 for rake, so I am getting just over 6 to 1 to make the call capping the betting.

I don't see how I can be winning obviously and despite the lovely odds toss the little feckers into the grime.



So my question and ponderings  are thus:

Is anybody sick enough to actually call here?

(thought not)

...and...

After I sit there for a while thinking how sick it is that I flop trips against the fishy deep stack and end up having to pass, it also comes to mind that two small changes would have changed everything and I would have probably lost the lot. If my mate in the BB doesn't lead out I would have done my bollox (I bet my nines, get raised and then stick it in), and If I had raised preflop the SB would probably have re-popped me big and maybe I would have let it go preflop and saved neary £100 in the process.

Such subtle changes have a massive 'Sliding Doors' effect in deepstack Holdem and that is why we love it...


Title: Re: Sliding Doors and Suited Connectors
Post by: EvilPie on August 05, 2011, 04:48:01 PM
If you want any decent responses I'd edit the post above without the other players hands.



Title: Re: Sliding Doors and Suited Connectors
Post by: Pyso on August 05, 2011, 04:52:12 PM
Oh alright then, although I wasn't really expecting any repllies.


Title: Re: Sliding Doors and Suited Connectors
Post by: kinboshi on August 05, 2011, 05:04:15 PM
Oh alright then, although I wasn't really expecting any repllies.

Fold, he's got you beat ;)


Title: Re: Sliding Doors and Suited Connectors
Post by: boldie on August 05, 2011, 05:12:26 PM
If you want any decent responses I'd edit the post above without the other players hands.



Or stick a picture of Gwyneth Paltrow in there (before she went all goo-goo she was actually rather attractive.)


Title: Re: Sliding Doors and Suited Connectors
Post by: Pyso on August 05, 2011, 05:40:53 PM
If you want any decent responses I'd edit the post above without the other players hands.



Or stick a picture of Gwyneth Paltrow in there (before she went all goo-goo she was actually rather attractive.)

All I want to know about Gwyneth Paltrow is this: was that really her in that scene in Shallow Hal or was it a body double with the most perfect ass? If you've seen the film you'll remember the moment...


Title: Re: Sliding Doors and Suited Connectors
Post by: boldie on August 05, 2011, 06:32:29 PM
If you want any decent responses I'd edit the post above without the other players hands.



Or stick a picture of Gwyneth Paltrow in there (before she went all goo-goo she was actually rather attractive.)

All I want to know about Gwyneth Paltrow is this: was that really her in that scene in Shallow Hal or was it a body double with the most perfect ass? If you've seen the film you'll remember the moment...

I do and, apparently and unfortunately, it was a body double.


Title: Re: Sliding Doors and Suited Connectors
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 06, 2011, 11:21:04 AM
this felt more like a bedtime story than a PHA thread,