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Really, really crazy shit.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/portuguese-poker-prodigy-jose-girah-macedo-scammed-hsnl-players-30-000-hsnl-xpost-1079435/

i seem to remember a very similar thing way back in 2006?? when team viewer first came out on the scene. a mentor was helping some of his pupils whilst having over from behind not only them but some of their friends as well. way back then some people  thought this would kill poker  but then i would expect these were the same people who thought poker tracker and showing hole cards would kill the game.

Yh this did happen.

completely unrelated to a well known (lol respected) high stakes UK player.

how the hell do you know this, you was only 6 at the time. ;)

Cliffs anyone?

HSNL Pros have a group Skype chat where they discuss strategy etc.

Portuguese superstar then runs sweat sessions where he Teamviewers his friends whilst they play 10/20+ with aggro spew monkey player.

Aggro spew monkey player irons them out for bundles in short order, players get suspicious and do some investigating.

Transpires that their friend who has been sweating them was in fact the aggro spew monkey account playing them whilst looking at hole cards.

and world starts to fall apart...

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/PokerStrategy.com-Ends-Cooperation-With-Girah-After-Admission-Of-Scamming_50037/

seems to me that the number one rule to cheating is dont get caught

So, he will have monies confiscated and returned to 'friends'?

So will he be prosecuted for fraud?

After all the other stuff that has happened online, you'd have thought the possibility of this scam would have crossed at least one of their minds. 'Please please please play this fish, and let me watch?'

i dont think he will get fraud will he? its not like they signed a agreement or anything?
just got scummed

Basically begged every high stakes pro to teach him how to win teh moniez
Got in  HU skype chat with lots of different players
Made skype chat V2 and then only invited hgih stakes sickos
Spoke daily ot jUngleman, DIH, sauce etc
Started to do sweat sessions on a daily basis
Got his friends to all play sauran1989 who he described as an agro fish
His friend was actually sauran1989 and sitting next to girah who had teamviewer on
They all did chunks
30k has been found out already, but who knows how much he has done
Also cheated to win a rake race on merge
Only 18 and everyone makes mistakes
He had a lock contract, poekrstrategy contract and access to the best minds in poker and fucked up basically

It always seems to be the ones with the most opportunities and a good future in poker ahead of them that just get greedy !!!

http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/internetpokers/the-girah-scandal

Pleno - I think you said that you'd met him out in Gibraltar.

What was he like? How did he come across as a person to you?

Did he ask for a sweat session?

rly?

yes, everyone does make mistakes.

I don't agree if Pads is saying this as a reason to forgive the little rat but it is a true statement.

internetpokers blog on cardrunners is veryyyyyyy TL;DR, but amazing at same time <3

The HS community on 2+2 seem not to like him much.

hes incred imo

I know everyone makes mistakes - but I wouldn't put this down as a 'mistake that everybody makes'.  It's a little more than an indiscretion.

Being a bit harsh on the lad imo. He's only 18. He'll learn his lesson and hopefully apologise. No big deal. It's just all japes really isn't it? :)

what makes you say that?

Have you read the whole 2+2 thread?

He still admits to multiaccounting etc.

100% in agreement

Guess its just a shame that it's his third mistake already.

The kid is clearly nothing more than a front for a bunch of HS players wanting to play European sites. He's no prodigy or wonderkid. He's gone from using text speak a few months back to issuing almost perfect statements that contain the quality of English that others I know would struggle to write - and they're English.

There is so much more to come from all this.

Please becareful folks because I just read the latest blog of greekstein1 on poker encore. He is offering some PLO sweat sessions and using teamviewer etc (wonder where he got the idea)

http://www.pokerencore.com/blogs/2011/08/greekstein1-greasing-greek/

Wow even more impressive is I've just learnt to copy and paste links on my I phone.

Please read cos's blogs because they are very good

ofc this is bad, but nice guy and blogs are incred. the ashton blog was really reallllly good.

i think everybody does sweat sessions/ghosting though, probably over 50 people on blonde have done it. ofc high stakes is worse.

btw, mossboss, is matthew moss, really nice guy and sick good player. hopefully he gets all his moniez back.

This is a level?

You know that given half a chance he'd take every penny you've ever worked for and not care one bit about what affect it had on your life or your future?

Hopefully you're levelling. If not you need to work on your naivety because it's right up there.

Not buying the everyone makes mistakes line tbh.

This is systematic scamming over a period of time, there is little impulsive or blurring of ethical lines here, it is just out and out dirty.

pleno, you are crazy. The kid stole from people who thought he was a friend. He knew exactly what he was doing.

I can't be bothered to find the right chatlogs atm, but suffice to say he was looking out for himself at all times during this. The compensation was his way of trying to keep this out of the media so he could keep his sponsorship deals.

He's nothing more than a thief and if poker was regulated properly he would be banned from every single site.

lol everybody knows im talking about dogishead not girah yeh?

Phew. Was worried for my little Gib based internet buddy.

Errrrr nope. Lol

Even if you were, Haseeb has behaved so poorly in this and is neck deep in this crap.

I particularly like this bit from the chat logs:

[12:49:04 AM] Nick Frame: wheres he from?
[12:49:10 AM] josé maria macedo: not sure
[12:49:12 AM] Nick Frame: very easy question
[12:49:16 AM] josé maria macedo: his parents are form weird places
[12:49:20 AM] josé maria macedo: spain and france i think

Yea, those super weird places France and Spain...

Pleno you're on drugs mate.

i know you enjoy a good nut-hug but this guy is beyond shady.

Hes very articulate and a very good writer which allows him to manipulate the masquerade but i think we'll see the plot thicken in the coming days.

talking about Haseeb obv

do you guys think what south, hastings and townsend did to isuldur ok, unethical or even collusion. please direct me to a thread if there was one. there have been some high profile rip offs / scams going right back to jj prodigy. what i find funny is people were banned from full tilt for multi accounting yet years later they come up with the great innovation that was gonna turn poker on its head and they called it RUSH

They shared hand histories but that was it.

People compare notes on players all the time, the difference was that Isildur the fan boy's number 1 and so it was deemed as being wrong for some strange reason.

Any time I've opened up High Stakes MTT on 2+2 for PHA if someone like Moorman is involved in an interesting hand, 30+ people are willing to comment on it based on what they know about his game. Surely that too is wrong?

LOL Pleno is talking about a blogger on cardrunners. NOT GIRAH

yes good points but in live poker we have a rule of one person to a hand. this would not seem to be the case as the 3 of them were sat playing isildur together. i aint a internet fan but just felt he had been wronged by those 3 and he deserved better treatment given that he was shaking up the higher echelons of poker. its all about drawing lines of acceptability and who is the right person to decide where those lines should be drawn

Not true.

Sum up my thoughts entirely.

Pleno just cos these guys are sick clever/talented at poker/famous within the poker world and write cleverly it doesn't mean they aren't scumbags.

and? hes involved in the Girah situation.

whats going on?

has haseeb qwhuiodshcviosahf been scamming ppl?

and jose been doing it too?

or have i been doing it also?

He is a cheat and should be shot in the face

Matthew Moss told me today he was insta paid back. DIH personally sent money by bank transfer to everyone effected. They had really taken to Girah and thought he was almost their dream passport to Europe, they had been looking forward to this so much for the last 4 months or so.

Has DIH sweated players in live sessions? Yes. Have I? Yes. Have lots of people on here? Yes. Theres even a thread on EMS called "Sweat me thread" where people whoa re very well respected from all stakes imaginable do sweat sessions.

He made an account using a Canadian account so he could play on ipoker. I spoke to over 50 people who are currently using VPN's to play on European sites, once again frowned upoin, but hardly scummy.

He played on Girah's account to play 25/50 PLOHU, Girah played NLHU so not as if players would have had any "misreads" if anything if he made his own account then he would probably have gotten more action. This is obviously bad, but not the end of the world. Have I played on friends stars accounts for MTT's? Absolutely. Should I have? Absolutely not. Am I scummy? Definitely not.

As soon as DIH knew there was a problem he insta made Girah "Tell the fucking truth" he didnt treat him like a friend, he had complete remorse for the guys who had money stolen off them and he wholeheartedly spent every second of the day trying to sort it out.

He personally had dinners  in Gibraltar and always came across as a very nice guy to everybody concerned. We have god judges of character I hope, and nothing he has done so far shows me that he is anything close to scummy.

Nor am I on drugs.

Girah is another story...

Im perfectly willing to accept this could and prolly is a nice gesture.

But something feels a bit weird about the whole thing honestly - not saying there is necessarily anythign shady going on, but it feels way way different to most scandals like this, but I spose it prolly is lol

anyways, something not quite right in my mind.

what is a nut-hug btw?

+1 on the articulate and good writer.

here is a post from a guy that is close to genius that i know and has no social skills at all. one of best poker minds out there but not very well known.

this is his thoughts anyway.

big shit happening..

this is my take on Girah situation for those who are interested. I ve spent 10h+ reading all the threads on 2+2 and blogs and tweets connected as well. Was rly interested.

put together from my skype conversations w other ppl, dont want to waste time editing:

it appears he got some downswing and psychologicall was so much into "proving" himself to others that he stopped caring abt any moral and just wanted to get to teh moniez he owed Jungle/DIH for the staking.

<<< he started w all of this 1 moht ago
when he went on a downswing
he was like 200k down, it might have been more, he maybe tried to conceal the real no.

<<< his banrkoll aint that big as of now coz he bought a house
and uncle scammed him for 300k before
so of the 2mil he had before, he had just few tens of k now, w the downswing
he couldnt even play NL5k now so the "few tens" of k WERE actually substantial for him. Tbh, i also think he signed up w pokerstrategy and stared coaching more liberally (many ppl for lower rates than other hs regs) purely for money. He got sick of the downswing and needed $$$ to rebuild confidence in other than playing.
he wanted to play Isildur chall
and Durrr chall
he got obsessed w success

also i think the moving in of Jungle/DIH messed up w his head bigtime
imagine he is playing poker for 2y, and now he has a chancce to live everyday w the absolute best, he cannot just be a mere NL2k grinder

<<< psychologically its easy to interpret this as a rush, sudden exlosion in his head, too much of stress and needed to make money no matter how imo so that he can benefit the most later on when they live w him from nosebleeds action

there is no way imo, this has been organized by more ppl. It makes no sense whatsoever that they would leave that much of evidence, and the alleged plrs - Dog and Jungle have way more to lose even than Girah did.
But esp the skype logs, the badly managed weird hands played, the forcing of Jose of action all DOESNT speak for an organized crime, rather than a kid who got too obsessed w success and just cannot let go when on downswing.

lol pleno, you must be the biggest fanboy out there. I doubt he actually ever made $2mill in cash-games (mainly underraged) many ppl itt point out how easy it is to doctor these.

You should read the thread or at least the cliffs and stuff from reputable posters to make your own opinion.

Im no columbo but DIH and JM are acting rather odd for innocent "victims" in all this. I found it really weird how people could move to another country to move in with sum1 they know over the internet, claim to be really close and then ditch them and call them scum as soon as the s**t hits the fan. No smoke without fire n all that.

lol.

I've read every post on the first thread (100 pages long) then over 50 pages on the second thread. I met Dogisead/Jungleman this weekend and then talked to Mathhew Moss, one of the main guys who had $$$$ stolen, so I think I am perfectly informed and not a fanboy :)

Pads you're defo a fanboy!

played with the guy a lot (inc hu starting tables), spoke w him regularly on chat, thought he was ok till the bluff challenge thing burst out. the whole affair is super shady and there were deffo multiple users of his account depending on if he was grinding or playing higher. He and anyone associated with his accounts is extremely dodgy, agree w whollyflush that dogishead/sauce/jungleman are def involved somehow. the games had too small edges with too much money at stake for people to not cheat, this guy got foundout, makes you shudder about what else goes on.

jungleman/dih would never be involved with scaming people for 1-2k though, it really, really isn't worth it for them

lol just been told DIH got fired from CR.

http://www.cardrunners.com/article/932/cardrunners-statement-regarding-haseeb-qureshi/

http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10319&page=3~

lol sigh

can you sum all this up please fanboy pleno. I can't be arsed to read any of that,

For those interested i guess this is one of the more interesting posts 2day

Originally Posted by sauce123 (Ben Sulsky)
Everyone is just super hyped up about this situation. i read some posts in this thread, thought a bit and had some strong suspicious about haseeb doing x, but absolutely no proof. so instead of posting suspicions on here i just called him on the phone and asked if x was true and if it wasnt what possible justification he could give for my suspicions of x. when i dont have proof i prefer to settle things between myself and the person involved in order to save them from headache and myself from being wrong and looking mean (and hope someone else would do the same for me in a similar situation). haseeb admitted to x and said he would address it shortly. if he doesnt, then i will publicly and i wanted a record of that.

Unfortunately i doubt haseeb will be fully transparent with all affairs but time will tell.

On a slight tangent, it seems Geeforce1 was probably lined up by Girah to be scammed. Don't know if he reads 2p2 or was pointed to it but his name popped up in the chat logs.

yeah i been reading through the thread and it looks pretty bad on DIH.

What do you think now Peeeeleno?

From conversation's I've had with a few friends of mine involved it seemed the fact that american players used Jose's account to play HS HUNL on euro sites was pretty common knowledge throughout the HS regs on these sites?

I think this could become a huge scandal very shortly, but as Alex says there is too much money involved to suggest X, or Y player wouldnt cheat because it "wasn't worth it"

i take back everything and i am no longer a fan boy.

kr,
plenofkn1mfs

Snoops talked to Geeforce: http://www.blackbeltpoker.com/articles/read/David-Geeforce-Gent-Girah

www.cardrunners.com/blog/internetpokers   if doesnt work then google it.

Titled - The End

who does he know in nottingham?

where is the big revelation?

http://news.bluffmagazine.com/haseeb-qureshi-admits-to-being-samchauhan-on-merge-network-24259/

So much murky business in online poker at the mo. Jungleman interview released later today, whole thing stinks but very intriguing.

interview with whom mantis?

Scamming online is nothing new, I used to play the high stakes cash games online in the relatively early days of online poker. 200/400 limit games mainly but also alot of 50/100 NL as is normal I played the same guys everyday for months and a few of them won significant amounts of money, Where are they now ? gone.. now maybe they just decided that there is easier ways to earn thousands a day than using their poker abilities or just maybe their scam was uncovered by the poker room concerned and told in no uncertain fashion to bugger off on the quiet, Im not at all bitter about this as you live and learn and I still play alot online but now mainly comps, but one of lifes rules apply here. If there is alot of money at stake someone will find a way of beating the system

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/i-am-jose-girah-macedo-so-called-portuguese-poker-prodigy-990495/index43.html

wow some epicccc posts on this page!

For those of us who are not 2p2 noobs and actually have 100 posts per page set, can you link post numbers please ;)

i have no idea, quicker to change ur settings i guess

Latest I read was coupla 2+2 mods interviewed him last night. He tried to retract it because he lied but they will release it later anyway.

Vanessa Selbst + NoahSD

link?

http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/08/interview-with-jungleman-about-girah/

jungleman comes over very poorly imo

One of two things:

1. He is either a complete and utter moron, who needs to be in a secure home (or with his mum)

2. Or he is lying

WoWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Still listening to this

"what month did this occur"

"erm June....................... or the one before"


Does Jungleman have known "mental issues" - and I mean that as a genuine question, like is he autistic or something?

If he was in court for something, he would go away - guilty or not

i bet blatch is currently seeking jungleman!

That is the most astounding thing I have ever listened to!

He has got to be the mark in this right?

I think zigmund once called him rainman in the chat box.

He clearly has life skills comparable to those of a custard donut.

That is an insult to custard doughnuts and as a lover of said baked goods, I am not standing for it.

:D

i really want a custard donut now :(

cliffs on Jungle pls?

It's massive.

(http://www.andamanadventures.com/wildlife_gallery/images/jungle-kayak.jpg)

You bugger I was halfway through posting the same thing (yours is better tho)

This interview is amazing

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/tyler-smith-text-convo-jungleman-1083097/

Anyone think that, depsite zero social skills and a strange  tendency to answer "maybe" to every question, that this is all a bit unfair on JM?

he admitted to multiaccounting and winning 50k against a friend on girahs account. he has lied about lots of allegations and said he would still live with girah if it hadnt came out in the news, lots of things havnt come out yet i guess, but sure this isnt the end.

Like my post said above, he is either in on it or the mark who shouldn't be allowed out on his own.-

He really hasn't helped his position with some of his comments on ethical situations. Unfortunately he sees life like a poker hand, and unfortunately this situation quite clearly isn't.

Obv DIH has done him over good and proper, but where are JM's other friends to pull him to one side, point out all of the obvious facts and says "hey dude, the guy you trust implicitly has been doing you good and proper".

One side to this which I find remarkable, is the money aspect. To mere mortals, they cant understand his absolutely apathy to money and its "value" because he perscribes a differnet value to it. That really hurts JM in this as I see it

I think the likely answer is that Jungleman has done shady stuff and is very awkward in real life/social situations. There was interview i read recently (think it was linked on here) where he admitted that he struggled with social interactions and wasn't "normal".

Thought this was funny from an old interview.

They go out to dinner and it is Valentines Day – the reporter says he is surprised to get a seat, the Jungleman asks why? It is typical and certainly not ironic that a poker player who spends 20 hour stretches winning and losing millions online should react in this way about Valentines Day.

Aspergers was mentioned in one of the posts.

I don't think it's unfair. Ignorance tends to be quite a flimsy excuse when you do wrong. I know the police tell me to GTFO when I say I thought it was a 40mph zone. You are expected to be accountable for your own actions in life. Jungleman has done a load of shady stuff and is trying to shrug his shoulders and say he didn't know or didn't realise. But he knew about the chip dumping and the multi accounting etc. and he should have made it his business to be aware of more.

In every game or sport the pros have an understanding of their responsibilities because young people look up to them and aspire to be like them. I find the morality in poker to be very low right now with lots of unseemly things happening. It would be nice if the pros out there lead the way in the morality stakes, but the complete opposite seems to be the case and what's more the pros seem to have zero awareness that their behaviour does matter to poker fans. Jungleman is non plus about lots of questionable behaviour and as such doesn't give one fig about poker as a whole. Both him and dogishead acquired lots of recognition and fame from the very community they are now dismissing. Lol at Haseeb just trapping. It's like Wayne Rooney flicking the v's to Man U fans and quitting football. He must be in it up to his neck, abs stinks.

Jungleman agreed to stake Jose to the tune of 50% so when the $100k was dumped 50% of that cash was Jungleman's and thus he must accept half the blame. That was his money and he was staking some young prodigy and didn't have one clue about anything. Why would he think he has no responsibility? I don't really expect pros to have some amazing morality but a lot of this stuff is criminal really and generally accepted as ok and just getting an edge. The sweat sessions are an abs joke as well even thou the pros think this is normal. It's like me betting you $1k me and my mates can beat you and your mates in a football game and me turning up with Didier fecking Drogba wearing number 9. All this access to hole cards through different avenues leads to corruption and collusion and this is why live streaming is bad for poker.

Wouldn't surprise me if JM is playing the clueless card for bluffs thou and knows the lot.

Haseeb and Girah are probs on a beach right now drinking mojitos together.

Yes, I agree alot more now, having listened to his admisions of lying, which still felt fuzzy and dishonest.

It would seem to be a textbook case of Aspergers, or at least be somewhere on the autistic spectrum? Obviously the genius poker mind can fit with this, but the real difficulty in social interaction does perfectly. I guess this would come slightly to his defence, as what is just awkwardness could be percieved as shadyness.

Being home schooled and sat in a basement for 5 years can't help either

LMAO - Awesome

My nephew has Aspergers and sure enough struggles in social situations. But he knows the difference between right and wrong. Dont know why your ability socially excuses your behaviour morally.

Yeah I'd pretty much throw anyone with poor social skills and an adeptness at some form of systemetizing somewhere in the autistic spectrum. ^^

Most social morality is mediated by feelings of empathy. Empathy ain't functioning too well in people with Asperger's. Would seem to follow that Asperger's can be relied on as some kind of defence in certain moral scrutinies.

Made me smile - currently playing on MG:

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ltq2qx.png)

its incredible that someone who "gets" poker to the level he does can be such a clown at everything else.

weird how the world works

is the girahh who has been multitabling $5/10 on ipoker recently the same guy, or is it a joke username? feels uneasy playing against him.