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Played this the other day.

not sure where to start with this hand, from c/c flop, to c/r turn, to b/f flop - could easy have misplayed each street.

what do we think

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/replayer.swf?pokerhandid=3589479

PUKE SIGHHHHHHH ETC ETC ETC.

Good fold, like the line. He never does it as bluff because if he only has one ace then you can have AK a LOT and he obv gets snapped. Just big sigh.

what you think of flop c/c and turn c/r?

can't get my head around it

I think it's fine Dave. What do you think of c-raising flop?

Once you call flop I don't really ever expect him to double barrel any bluffs or lone aces (obv unless another ace hits when I'd expect him to bet Axxx).

It's sick that we have quad kings and i expect our hand to best less than 0.5% of the time.

yh i think c.r flop is a godo way to rep a king less, if that makes sense? if there wasn't an ACE on board I think c/r would be the best play for sure. I can't work out if the Ace being on board makes it more or less credible as a value line, instinctivley I'd say it would make it look less like a bluff, but then I shouldn't really be raising any naked K***'s so perhaps it makes it more bluffy?

but then, this isn't a very good spot to bluff really

think my turn thinking was

its harder to rep a boat now, so im gonna try polarize myself to KK/nothing, hope he has an ace and hero's down

not even sure he cbets AQJ* 4 way though.

do you ever find out his hand dave or speak to the player. i assume he is a reg who you know well.

LOL herbie you're awesome

lol. i am being serious. i thought there are some sites were you can see the hands in history. you dont fold you greeky mother. you expect our hand to be best 0.5% of the time...what a coc of. you flick the last 700 in cos you need to know

fwiw i think dave mis clicked fold and just wanted to wind  someone up ;)..... going back to play that video again

yep he shoves and you fold within 1 second...defo meant to snap call n hit fold......now just need pantonius itt to back me up and thats the job done

nah you can only see their hand if it goes to showdown.

While curiosity is a big flaw of mine, i 100% fold here.

oh right so they muck at showdown and you can see it later in history then...thought you would be in DTD this weekend and going out for hopos birthday

i dont like the flop c/c or the turn c/r because its the deep table.

C/r here looks so absurdly strong that sometimes if he doesn't have AA then he may rep them or AK levelling himself that you would never play AA or AK this strong, i would imagine the flat call screams strength to most these guys and your not going to make much from Axxx or air once u do so.

I cant imagine anyone bluffing this turn with a c/r or so in theory he should fold any hand you beat which is why i dont like it- even if he calls turn the chances of calling river are slim. Also your line looks like kxxx on the turn so why not let him go with this read and over value an ace on the river or try to rep an ace.

both the river barrel and fold is obv fine imo.

I quite like polarizing our range on the turn. However, if he knows we're decent then we arent really gonna be polarizing our bluffs to quads/air. Do like bet folding river

Must remember to reply to ged's post as there's a few things I disagree with in it.

This is sick. Folding quads.  ;sark; ;technophobe; ;frustrated; ;madasahatstand; ;nemesis; ;snoopy'sguns; ;gobsmacked; ;applause; :dontask: ;grr; :redcard: ;reallyamsorry; ;adamm; ;goodvevil; :cheers: ;oopsy; ;envious; ;all-in; ;fold; ;woohoo; ;sexybanana; ;sexybanana; ;sexybanana; ;flushy; ;letsparty; ;mexicanwave; :tikay: ;starwars; ;starwars;

I don't really like C/R turn as I just think it folds out everything. There isn't really a way to play this hand that doesn't scream strength but maybe I'd call, call, lead. Alternatively check raise small on the flop to try to induce something?

I don't think he's gonna rep AA when we repping AK/KK. Villain would usually be committing suicide against most players.

On the turn do we really call just a lone King? I dont think so but I think I like this line best.

The problem is, as Karl has already alluded to, whether we lead/c-r/call any street looks pretty fking strong so it's just gonna be really hard to put bluffs in our range.

There really aren't many ways we can make our line look weak oop tbh. I think He will definitely think we have more bluffs on the turn than you're giving him credit for because of his sizing, but obviously it's still very strong overall. I don't think you get 3 streets if you c/r the flop from any wider a range than if you c/c flop c/r turn but I may well be wrong, not got as much PLO experience as some of the other guys on here.

Puke.

I agree. The more I look at it the more I hate the turn c/r, if I think about it the guy is reasonably tight (i mean still opening UTG far wider than AA) but how likely is he to actually bet a hand like AQJT or a really strong ACE otf, seems like this player might c/c more often than not with that hand, although he does bet quite small and if he's thinking he should never be getting raised OTF so maybe he will.

but working on the assumption he chks more often than he bets then on the turn his value range is made up of majority AA (which we lose to) and bluffs, so in essence we're effectively bluff catching but getting a bit lost with the fact we have quads.

c.r the flop is prolly the best way to rep bluffs, just still looks joke strong in this specific spot where its ACE high, and I could easily have AA** as well.... :(

c/c. c/c. b/f ? or just c/c.c/c.c/c, or would you even go as far as c/c, c/c, c/f?