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Please could I get some opinions on this hand?

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PokerStars Game #65771377872: Tournament #423795607, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2011/08/09 20:12:28 WET [2011/08/09 15:12:28 ET]
Table '423795607 176' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: LuukFOD (1195 in chips)
Seat 2: postbanken (5189 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero (8095 in chips)
Seat 4: D PitcherAK (5600 in chips)
Seat 5: sjonnny (2390 in chips)
Seat 6: AtlachNachaa (4903 in chips)
Seat 7: mag001776 (4428 in chips)
Seat 8: igorjgrand (17174 in chips)
LuukFOD: posts the ante 10
postbanken: posts the ante 10
Hero: posts the ante 10
D PitcherAK: posts the ante 10
sjonnny: posts the ante 10
AtlachNachaa: posts the ante 10
mag001776: posts the ante 10
igorjgrand: posts the ante 10
igorjgrand: posts small blind 50
LuukFOD: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ah  Ks]
postbanken: folds
MrCavity is connected
Hero: raises 250 to 350
D PitcherAK: raises 500 to 850
sjonnny: folds
AtlachNachaa: folds
mag001776: folds
igorjgrand: folds
LuukFOD: folds
Hero: raises 850 to 1700
D PitcherAK: calls 850
*** FLOP *** [Ts Qh Jc]
Hero: checks
D PitcherAK: bets 1100
Hero: calls 1100
*** TURN *** [Ts Qh Jc] [Tc]
Hero: checks
D PitcherAK: bets 2790 and is all-in
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet (2790) returned to D PitcherAK
D PitcherAK collected 5830 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5830 | Rake 0
Board [Ts Qh Jc Tc]
Seat 1: LuukFOD (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: postbanken folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Hero folded on the Turn
Seat 4: D PitcherAK collected (5830)
Seat 5: sjonnny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: AtlachNachaa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mag001776 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: igorjgrand (small blind) folded before Flop

Who are you?

Please dont fold ak there in a $3 game

I also like a flat of 3 bet in position pre

Misclick?

Raise to 300 pre and call 3 bet.

Don't hate c/c also don't mind bet bet bet line either, depends on villain

Never folding

Villain is currently running 25/18 over 67 hands.


What range do you have a big winning player (+$30k in the last 120 days according to playerscope) on when he calls a 4bet in position this early on in a deep tournament?

In a $3 comp I don't think about ranges when I've got a straight and the other guy goes all in.

Admittedly that card is about as bad as it gets for our hand but so what.

If he's decent he knows the board is very dangerous which throws a bunch of bluffs in to his range so that's good enough for me.

Wait where does it tell me he is a winning player?

Given this is a $3 game and we lose to QQ JJ (both less likely) and JT, I'm never folding. You not think he can have AK? Dunno if people flat AA KK in these games?

Although the paired board isn't nice a Q or J is much worse card

And if the 30k is one score I wouldn't assume he is good

No, biggest score was I think $12k? Accumulation.

You'll be pleased to know the rest of my night is going great.

PokerStars Game #65776961841: Tournament #423795661, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2011/08/09 21:51:37 WET [2011/08/09 16:51:37 ET]
Table '423795661 230' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: joe camel29 (3000 in chips)
Seat 2: crusst (3816 in chips)
Seat 3: intoxicadoes (1665 in chips)
Seat 4: blacck2929 (4001 in chips)
Seat 5: spasejamm (2925 in chips)
Seat 6: burelagt (2950 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero (3355 in chips)
Seat 8: ZZZOTTT (4570 in chips)
Seat 9: losenok666 (7223 in chips)
burelagt: posts small blind 25
Ultraballs18: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Kd]
Hero said, "called the flop with k8? you numskull"
ZZZOTTT: folds
losenok666: folds
joe camel29: folds
crusst: calls 50
intoxicadoes: calls 50
Hero said, "lucky numskull tho"
blacck2929: folds
spasejamm: folds
burelagt: calls 25
Hero: raises 200 to 250
crusst: calls 200
intoxicadoes: folds
burelagt: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [8h Tc 3d]
burelagt: checks
Hero: bets 500
crusst: calls 500
burelagt: folds
*** TURN *** [8h Tc 3d] [Ac]
Hero: bets 800
crusst: calls 800
*** RIVER *** [8h Tc 3d Ac] [6h]
Ultraballs18: bets 1805 and is all-in
crusst: calls 1805
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [As Kd] (a pair of Aces)
crusst: shows [6s 8s] (two pair, Eights and Sixes)
crusst collected 7010 from pot
Hero finished the tournament in 2926th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7010 | Rake 0
Board [8h Tc 3d Ac 6h]
Seat 1: joe camel29 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: crusst showed [6s 8s] and won (7010) with two pair, Eights and Sixes
Seat 3: intoxicadoes folded before Flop
Seat 4: blacck2929 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: spasejamm (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: burelagt (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Hero (big blind) showed [As Kd] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: ZZZOTTT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: losenok666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

50p

You forgot to hide your name on the river.

We now know your name is ultraballs18

Oh..... and 50p.

Quoted for non removal of name

lol busted!

F#ck it, I may as well owe a quid seeing as I'm only left in one tourney now. Sigh.


PokerStars Game #65777678334: Tournament #423794778, $1.00+$0.25+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2011/08/09 22:06:00 WET [2011/08/09 17:06:00 ET]
Table '423794778 127' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Mikewazovsk1 (8235 in chips)
Seat 2: Dr.Schlecker (13990 in chips)
Seat 3: V.H.P.L.P (3000 in chips)
Seat 4: janne0123 (10135 in chips)
Seat 5: daveke07 (3555 in chips)
Seat 6: Praisas (4150 in chips)
Seat 7: Zeka Diabo (8350 in chips)
Seat 8: damazy81 (2700 in chips)
Seat 9: Ultraballs18 (2800 in chips)
Ultraballs18: posts small blind 100
Mikewazovsk1: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [Th Ts]
Dr.Schlecker: raises 400 to 600
V.H.P.L.P: folds
janne0123: calls 600
daveke07: calls 600
Praisas: folds
Zeka Diabo: folds
damazy81: folds
Ultraballs18: raises 2200 to 2800 and is all-in
Mikewazovsk1 is connected
Mikewazovsk1: folds
Dr.Schlecker: calls 2200
janne0123: calls 2200
daveke07: calls 2200
*** FLOP *** [8h Tc 9h]
Dr.Schlecker: bets 800
janne0123: calls 800
daveke07: calls 755 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8h Tc 9h] [Jc]
V.H.P.L.P is disconnected
Dr.Schlecker: checks
janne0123: bets 6535 and is all-in
Dr.Schlecker: folds
Uncalled bet (6535) returned to janne0123
*** RIVER *** [8h Tc 9h Jc] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
janne0123: shows [6d Jd] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
janne0123 collected 90 from side pot-2
daveke07: shows [Ks Qs] (a straight, Nine to King)
daveke07 collected 2265 from side pot-1
Ultraballs18: shows [Th Ts] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
daveke07 collected 11400 from main pot
daveke07 wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating Ultraballs18
Ultraballs18 finished the tournament in 3000th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13755 Main pot 11400. Side pot-1 2265. Side pot-2 90. | Rake 0
Board [8h Tc 9h Jc 7c]
Seat 1: Mikewazovsk1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Dr.Schlecker folded on the Turn
Seat 3: V.H.P.L.P folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: janne0123 showed [6d Jd] and won (90) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 5: daveke07 showed [Ks Qs] and won (13665) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 6: Praisas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Zeka Diabo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: damazy81 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ultraballs18 (small blind) showed [Th Ts] and lost with a straight, Seven to Jack

Hero said, "called the flop with k8? you numskull"

rofl.

lol yeah, that was this hand...

***** Hand History for Game 65776832679 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 09, 04:49:14 ET 2011
Table 423795661 230 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Voin5599000 ( $526.00 USD )
Seat 2: crusst ( $3665.00 USD )
Seat 3: intoxicadoes ( $1665.00 USD )
Seat 4: blacck2929 ( $3726.00 USD )
Seat 5: spasejamm ( $3000.00 USD )
Seat 6: burelagt ( $3000.00 USD )
Seat 7: Ultraballs18 ( $3130.00 USD )
Seat 8: ZZZOTTT ( $4570.00 USD )
Seat 9: losenok666 ( $7223.00 USD )
blacck2929 posts small blind [$25.00 USD].
spasejamm posts big blind [$50.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [  Kh Ac ]
burelagt folds
Ultraballs18 raises [$150.00 USD]
ZZZOTTT folds
losenok666 folds
Voin5599000 folds
crusst calls [$150.00 USD]
intoxicadoes folds
blacck2929 calls [$125.00 USD]
spasejamm folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, As, Jd ]
blacck2929 checks
Ultraballs18 bets [$350.00 USD]
crusst calls [$350.00 USD]
blacck2929 calls [$350.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
blacck2929 checks
Ultraballs18 bets [$850.00 USD]
crusst folds
blacck2929 raises [$1700.00 USD]
Ultraballs18 raises [$1780.00 USD]
blacck2929 calls [$930.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
blacck2929 shows [Ks, 8d ]
Ultraballs18 shows [Kh, Ac ]
blacck2929 wins $3405.00 USD from main pot
Ultraballs18 wins $3405.00 USD from main pot

Best in the RUBDOWN Business!!!

Ok a few things about this hand.

1. Why have you 3.5x opened? Is this your standard opening size? I wouldn't recommend  anything bigger than 3x with these effective stacks, they are too shallow you're going to make the pot to stack ratio too small post flop with this sizing which limits your maneuverability and may possibly thin calling ranges pre (admittedly probably not in a $3 mtt but it's a good habit to get into for the future).

2. I don't mind 4bet getting it in ~50 bb effective with antes, we win the pot enough and get value from peels at this level too, and ofcourse we do ok against his get it in range too factoring in random spazzes. BUT why is your sizing so small? I think around 2000 has a significantly higher win pre flop % and since we're probably ahead of his range, maximizes value. In this tournament you could even make it 2000-2600 profitably since they call so much. Also this sizing makes our post flop play pretty simple since he's now going to have 3/4 pot back if he peels and we can just jam any flop.

3. I like your flop bet sizing because it allows most of his pre flop peeling range to call or raise, but I'm not planning to fold on any turn since the guy now has ~3/4 pot back.

As played I think I would pretty much always check call this turn just to allow any random semi bluffs/underrep our hand and either convince him that he has the best hand or that we are giving up.

*Sorry if this post is jumbled, posting off my phone again and it's a bitch to edit properly*

looooooooool

Hey, cheers for the reply.

The villain in this hand had been playing pretty tight, so when he 3bet me I felt he had an awfully strong range, so I wanted to try and get it all in pre (as I'm still in front of most of it).
So my small 4bet was to try and induce a 5bet shove. I felt strongly that he would never flat AA/KK with such a great opportunity to get it all in, but you never know. I also know that he's far less likely to have KK/AA here as I have blockers.
So I pretty much have his range at TT+/AK. (do you feel this is far too narrow a range for a 3b/c in a ssmtt? This early on a tag wouldn't flat 99 surely?)

I decided to check the flop. His bet size (like 1/3psb) screams to me of a very strong hand that doesn't wish to lose its customer or is to try and induce. So I flat feeling that he either has the same hand as me, or has hit a set, I'm not sure he'd bet this amount with KK/AA.

So to me when the T hits the turn and he shoves, I felt he was ultra strong, he knew I'd have to call as he knew I had decent holdings having flatted the turn.

Then again if he knows that I'm highly likely to be on AK or a lesser full house, he could have checked behind to let me fire on the river?

Yet if I'd taken your line, I wouldn't need to even think about any of this eh? I need to improve my pre flop play...

What are people's opinions, am I overthinking for ssmtt's?

the thing to remember about spots like this is that calling, given the size of the pot is unlikely to ever be a mistake.

Folding on the other hand has the potential to be such a MASSIVE mistake that ever folding would be a terrible play.

Need to get out of the "hero fold" mentality where we wanna make sick reads every hand and just go with the numbers.

I really wish I'd have asked myself a simple question before I flatted the flop bet.

'Is he likely to fold if I just shove here?'