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Title: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: Spraggs on August 14, 2011, 10:43:43 PM Villain is winning player.. 15/11 (9% EP pf raise)
EDIT: I was playing tight at the table for last 20 or so hands 3bet jamming once to UTG raiser PokerStars Game #66016641648: Tournament #433010507, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (2000/4000) - 2011/08/14 22:36:23 WET [2011/08/14 17:36:23 ET] Table '433010507 26' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: aaajack (250875 in chips) Seat 2: 88DrugDealer (361177 in chips) Seat 3: Spraggs (99862 in chips) Seat 4: JackOrsen72 (171867 in chips) Seat 5: swisstard (115130 in chips) Seat 6: Palau777 (60812 in chips) Seat 7: Cairns1987 (78249 in chips) Seat 9: beldarion (93823 in chips) aaajack: posts the ante 400 88DrugDealer: posts the ante 400 Spraggs: posts the ante 400 JackOrsen72: posts the ante 400 swisstard: posts the ante 400 Palau777: posts the ante 400 Cairns1987: posts the ante 400 beldarion: posts the ante 400 Palau777: posts small blind 2000 Cairns1987: posts big blind 4000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Spraggs [Th Ts] beldarion: raises 4000 to 8000 aaajack: folds 88DrugDealer: folds Spraggs: ? Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: George2Loose on August 14, 2011, 11:16:00 PM Shove
Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: MC on August 14, 2011, 11:30:20 PM Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: muckthenuts on August 15, 2011, 03:05:03 AM Shoving seems like it could be slight spew to me. He won't call off 22 bigs with any range that has us in decent shape and i don't really feel like there's any strong reasoning for him to be light here too often.
Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: outragous76 on August 15, 2011, 08:37:41 AM Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: Spraggs on August 15, 2011, 12:54:01 PM Easy to think, i have two Tens and ~25BBs, i gta go all in. But he's a solid winning player, and his range opening that stack UTG is pretty narrow.
Me shoving over that is only going to get called by a range that crushes TT. Not to mention I have players behind me. However... I got the TT with 25bbs, so I gta go allin.. right? Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: George2Loose on August 15, 2011, 12:57:48 PM Easy to think, i have two Tens and ~25BBs, i gta go all in. But he's a solid winning player, and his range opening that stack UTG is pretty narrow. Me shoving over that is only going to get called by a range that crushes TT. Not to mention I have players behind me. However... I got the TT with 25bbs, so I gta go allin.. right? If you know the answer then perhaps don't pose the question and fold? Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: Dubai on August 15, 2011, 12:59:53 PM You don't mention your own image and stats in op?
I don't like shoving here but not for reasons stated, it's the nut worst line for me when I'm playing but can't comment on op without some insight Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: Spraggs on August 15, 2011, 01:02:44 PM Easy to think, i have two Tens and ~25BBs, i gta go all in. But he's a solid winning player, and his range opening that stack UTG is pretty narrow. Me shoving over that is only going to get called by a range that crushes TT. Not to mention I have players behind me. However... I got the TT with 25bbs, so I gta go allin.. right? If you know the answer then perhaps don't pose the question and fold? Is there an answer? I want peoples views. There can be more than 1 right play. my opinion of his opening/calling range may be wrong. Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: George2Loose on August 15, 2011, 01:03:29 PM Easy to think, i have two Tens and ~25BBs, i gta go all in. But he's a solid winning player, and his range opening that stack UTG is pretty narrow. Me shoving over that is only going to get called by a range that crushes TT. Not to mention I have players behind me. However... I got the TT with 25bbs, so I gta go allin.. right? If you know the answer then perhaps don't pose the question and fold? I mean you're probably flipping a lot of the time. Shove and embrace the variance Is there an answer? I want peoples views. There can be more than 1 right play. my opinion of his opening/calling range may be wrong. Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: Spraggs on August 15, 2011, 01:04:46 PM You don't mention your own image and stats in op? I don't like shoving here but not for reasons stated, it's the nut worst line for me when I'm playing but can't comment on op without some insight Oops forgot.. At the table I had been playing very tight. Not sure how i am perceived by villain. Most think LAG i guess. Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: George2Loose on August 15, 2011, 01:08:12 PM You don't mention your own image and stats in op? I don't like shoving here but not for reasons stated, it's the nut worst line for me when I'm playing but can't comment on op without some insight 3 bet call or peel then Dubai? Would be interested to hear your views. I just shovebot in these situations Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: Dubai on August 15, 2011, 01:16:39 PM Depends on how I think he views me- but generally for me 3b calling is better than shoving and I can/do have a 3b folding range here so I'm more balanced than most- same for calling pre- I call a wider range here than 95% of regs, whether this is good or bad is debatable but if for example I'd been flatting pre a load then I'd have a range where flatting TT here wouldn't be face up, and for sure I could have Aces,Kings in same spot-
Before anyone does the maths and says shoving is not exploitable I'd add that's because we have been dealt a premium with a shallow stack and a raise in front- +ev doesn't mean the same as non exploitable Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: action man on August 15, 2011, 01:20:15 PM he's defo opening wider than you think mate. All depends on his perception of you, 3b/call jam, induce jam from behind by peeling (if you have a peel range established) can all be argued depending on images
Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: Spraggs on August 15, 2011, 01:27:41 PM Most of the time in auto-pilot i'm 3bet/calling or shoving, depending on my image/metagame.
This time he had been playing tight, and I felt i'd find a better place to pile someone, or get it in good, and folded (such a nit i know). What you saying bout 88/99? Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: action man on August 15, 2011, 01:57:30 PM hate the fold. im 3b/c or jamming 99 also 88 is a real decision
Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: railtard1 on August 16, 2011, 05:00:46 PM Depends on how I think he views me- but generally for me 3b calling is better than shoving and I can/do have a 3b folding range here so I'm more balanced than most- same for calling pre- I call a wider range here than 95% of regs, whether this is good or bad is debatable but if for example I'd been flatting pre a load then I'd have a range where flatting TT here wouldn't be face up, and for sure I could have Aces,Kings in same spot- Before anyone does the maths and says shoving is not exploitable I'd add that's because we have been dealt a premium with a shallow stack and a raise in front- +ev doesn't mean the same as non exploitable nh Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: Nit Tendencies on August 16, 2011, 06:29:31 PM Shoving seems like it could be slight spew to me. He won't call off 22 bigs with any range that has us in decent shape and i don't really feel like there's any strong reasoning for him to be light here too often. Very wrong. Shove. I would like to add that I agree with saying that it's best to do what's consistent with your perceived image and balancing in these tournaments. I always shove here because I'm pretty sure most regs won't think that I have a 3bet fold range since I balance by just reshoving 14-25bbs with a pretty balanced range in these reggier tourneys. But if you have a 3bet/fold range then you should definitely 3bet/call. Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: action man on August 16, 2011, 06:39:37 PM still can't get over this fold
Title: Re: Stars Sunday 100r preflop spot.. Post by: Spraggs on August 16, 2011, 10:57:44 PM Its not a spot i often (ever) fold in, I just (cue excuses) had no timebank because by computers been a c*nt lately, seen he had been super tight, and just had a gut feeling. I know shoving or 3b/calling is the right play, and thats why i posted it to see which of these people take.
Sometimes i go with my gut, and often it's right. I know I shouldn't be folding here vs most opponents. Just remember next time i 3bet you with 20 bb's my range is JJ+ and AK yea? |