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Live 1/2 cash at DTD. Reads: villain is a fishy Chinese guy in his 20s. Not played much with him. He sat with 100but the table min was 200 so he had to go to the cash desk, came back with 600 and sat with it all. Fairly face up standard loose passive post, and very spewy pre. He's been mainly calling preflop, seldom raising himself (maybe because table was very aggro so wasn't getting the chance tbf). I dont know whether he's been paying attention or has a view on me (Id guess probably not) but if he did it'd be very active and aggro.

Preflop

Villain (600) raises first to go to 16.  One caller (decent reg) in middle position. I call (covering) from the blinds with 9h 9s. The straddler calls.

Flop (66)  Tc 7c 2h

I check, check, vilian checks his cards then quickly bets 30. 1 fold, I call, straddler folds.

Turn (126) 9c

I lead for 70, villain rechecks his cards (for clubs ldo) and calls.

River (266) Qh

I bet xx

Thoughts on 3betting pre, calling on the flop, turn lead and how much to bet now.

All fine for me.

I size river half-2/3 pot- board is pretty ugly and if he's passive post doesn't sound like he'll pay you off. Maybe 145-160. Might even go smaller 120 dependant on live tells.

Against better players would bet bigger.

All WP up till now. I like £145 now

prob £165 then hope he doesn't slowroll me with queens.
 
not sure i like the flop call unless your going to turn your hand into a bluff if clubs come.

Flop call is debatable, don't like 3betting pre.

Make it 175 now, if he's as bad/passive as you say, he could call pretty wide.

I think his range pre is fairly tight. He's been limping a lot so expect him to be limping all hands that make 2 pair or a straight on this board. I think AT is the worst hand he raises with and maybe 66+. Not sure about his cbet tendancies, but i think hed still cbet ak aq aj 66 and 88 which i beat otf. I also called the flop because he was pretty straight forward and even oop i thought i could figure out whether i was ahead or behind ott.

When he calls the turn I'm putting him on AT AA KK AQ JJ or AK AQ AJ with a club. All of which (except AK AJ) he struggles to fold on the river IMO size dependant.

peel pre for sure

like the turn lead adi'd bet ~£225 now.

Seems rather a lot...

Fishy Chinese guy
Likes to call
Probably thinks we're Aggro.

One thing to remember as well is as much as we think that smaller bets get called more often than a bigger bet - a bigger bet doesn't need to get called as much to show the same +£. So if he's fishy bet big imo

Only element I would question at all was the flop call but calling cedrtainly isn't bad.  For the sizing on the river I think the crucial question is what kind of hand are we putting him on.  Something like AK with a club isn't calling the river no matter what.  AQ with a club is probably calling a pretty big bet as are most overpairs to the flop except possibly jacks.  Would imagine he has 2pair hands here like never and flushes seem fairly unlikely.  All told his range seems weighted towards hands (including those that beat you) that will call a bigger bet and as such I like Daves betsizing.

Peel > 3b pre

I'd have folded the flop - so many bad turns that you're gunna struggle to continue on if he bets again

I'd bet £200 on this river

+1 to a river bomb

Pre is standard.

I think peeling one off flop is ok.

Turn i think you can bet bigger 80/90

River I'd be going for something like 185. TBH given reads it don't matter if you bet 150-250 IMO tho.

like pre, unsure re. flop without reads, honestly think its probs gonna do money long-term.

turn lead is funky, reasoning?

river i think bigger is the way to go for sure, esp w image.

i think i prefer c/call turn and then lead river, rather than lead turn, but i understand u think he will peel more than bet when he has ak/aq/ajcx

I led the turn thinking he was likely to check back this card a really high %age of the time. And if he does bet, I'm not really comfortable craising then shoving the river as the majority of his range that bets the turn will be flushes IMO. I thought he was the type to check back an overpair on this turn and even if he does bet it, he may find a fold to the craise, or if not, to the river shove. Other value lines that involve checking the turn don't seem great either. Check call then bomb brick rivers? C/c c/j? C/c c/c?

I just thought it was the best line vs this guy to get paid off and also cheapest way to define his range. What do you think?

Before I make a twat of myself what are people interpreting his card checking as on the flop and then on the turn?

At the time, I genuinely thought he was checking his cards on the flop because he'd forgotten what he had. He raised first to go and it had taken a while to complete the betting round.

On the turn it seemed a classic do I have a club check.

This may be a little old school and possibly very wrong as I believe a lot of 'live' tells are pretty dodgy, but i thought,

First check he is probably checking for clubs
When he checks again on the turn he is checking with the little thought 'oh shit, ive got a flush running though his head'?

Open to being very wrong on this, but the fact you mentioned it obviously meant you thought it was significant.
Also open to the fact eveyone will be checking there cards a lot when we next share a table.

I agree with you about live tells being dodgy. The card checking one is fairly solid though and by far the most reliable live tell ever use. Good players obviously aren't really exploitable by this cos they'll be balanced. I know I conciously check my cards when i know I have a flush for instance, or not, or know I have a FD or airball to throw people off and mix it up.

This guy was definitely just on level one though and after he checked his cards on the turn I was pretty certain he was just checking for clubs.

I check my cards after every street in live poker. pretty good habbit to get into imo

seriously?

yh - i mean only if im seriously involved in a pot, if iv peeled 56 pre and wanted to chk fold I obv wouldnt look

lol sounds exploitable

Such an online pro

Just keep whispering your hand to yourself through the hand, you can't forget it then!

Was the villain wearing glasses and claiming to not speak much English?